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Hello - asking a massive favour. If anyone is visiting The National Archives, could they please do a search for me?

I'm trying to find more details about an Albert Hall. I know he died in 1927 aged 25, and was married to Violet Rose L Gardner. They lived in Camberwell. I just need one bit of information - where he was born, to narrow down my search and locate him (with confidence) in the 1911 census.

Many thanks

Lisa

Hello Lisa
Do you have any more information on Albert. Who is parents were?

His marriage certificate should name his father if he knew him and that could help narrow him down on the 1911 census.

Kath. x

Albert Hall

England and Wales Census, 1911

Name Albert Hall
Event Type Census
Event Date 1911
County London
Parish Camberwell
Sub-District Peckham North
Registration District Camberwell
Gender Male
Age 9
Birthplace Country Peckham, Surrey
Record Type Household

this is the census for albert hall's parents

1911 census married 26 years, 8 children, 6 living, 2 died

father henry 47 gasworker born hertfordshire
mother annie elizabeth 51 born bedfordshire

Marriages Dec 1925 (>99%)

Gardner Violet R L Hall Camberwell 1d 1478
Hall Albert Gardner Camberwell 1d 1478

As Kath said, buying this certificate should give you, and us, his father's name, and thus help to narrow the search!

How about this one? They're in Camberwell.

Married 1 1/2 years, 1 child still living so evidently they had each been previously married.

Albert Hall

in the 1911 England Census
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Name: Albert Hall
Age in 1911: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1902
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: CAMBERWELL, London, England
Civil Parish: Camberwell
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County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 234 K Block, Waterloo Square, Camberwell, London S E
Registration district: Camberwell
Registration District Number: 27
Sub-registration district: Camberwell North
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Piece: 2491
Household Members:
Name Age
Albert Hall 34, council ambulance driver
Lydia Hall 31
Albert Hall 9
Liley Hall 6
Arthur Hall 8***Surname is Mosely on original (Lydia's son from previous marriage?)
Edith Hall 0

Or maybe not from a previous marriage, no father is named.

Arthur James Mosley

in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
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Name: Arthur James Mosley
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 29 May 1903
Mother's name: Lydia Mosley
Parish or Poor Law Union: Camberwell St Giles
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers

Born 15 May, 1903.

He's a widower here, she's a spinster.

Lydia Mosley

in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
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Name: Lydia Mosley
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Age: 30
Spouse: Bertie John Hall
Spouse Age: 33
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 10 Oct 1909
Parish: Emmanuel, Camberwell
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Frederick Mosley
Spouse Father: Richard Thom Hall
Register Type: Parish Register

Trees on Ancestry say that the Albert Hall who was born 1902 Camberwell and who married Violet Rose Gardner was the son of Henry Hall & Ann Hunt but they also say that he died 1995, aged 93.

Welcome to the Community boards Lisa.



(I'll let Lisa know how to find her replies) :-)

Wow - you guys are experts. Thank you so much.

Well, some interesting info above. Violet Rose Gardner was my great grandmother (died 2000) and the mother of my grandmother, Iris Hall (1926). We (my family, Violet's grandaughter - my mother) were told Albert died and Violet remarried and had another child. Hence, I assumed my Albert Hall was the one listed as dying in 1927. BUT - going on your info above (MargaretM) he didn't die at all (well, until 1995).

I think I had better have a look at the trees on Ancestry.

Thanks again, all.

Don't rely on Ancestry trees unless there is a verifiable source!

I would say the 1927 death is the right one, given that Violet remarried the following year Camberwell. Should say widow on this cert

Marriages Mar 1928 (>99%)
Hale Ernest E Hall Camberwell 1d 990
Hall Violet R L Hale Camberwell 1d 990

As suggested buy the first marriage cert for Albert's father's name to be sure.

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Household (1 Person)
Hainault Lodge , Dagenham M.B., Essex, England

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) ROLE DOB OCCUPATION
Violet R L Hale Patient 24 Nov 1909 Unpaid Domestic Duties

Note, the date of birth on image is given as 24 Aug 98, the date of Nov is a correction above, and may refer to something else?

Rambling Rose - you maybe onto something here. I think I have been putting two and two together and coming up with a plausible answer, but not quite. The trees on ancestry may well correct and I'm confusing my Violet with theirs. BUT two Violet Rose L Gardners in the same place at the same time?

I'm very interested in your search for Violet R L Hale. Her birth date was 24 November, year around 1900 (she didn't know!). Where can I find this?

Thank you!

so the census for 1911 that I posted with father henry mother annie was the right one you can see the image on GR if you have credits I tried to copy it to send you but would not let me cannot find family in 1901census

Hi Malyon - yes, I've looked. Thank you. AND it should all fall into place very nicely, except other trees are showing Albert as being alive for some time after 1927. I have searched the divorce directories and no joy. ALSO - they have Violet dying in Sussex and I can confirm this NOT the case, so I think there has to be two Violet's, married to Albert Halls. Massive coincidence and massive pain.

I am banging my head on a brick wall.

Thank you SO much for your help. I need more.

Lisa, not coming up with a definite birth with all initials ( using freebmd.ork.uk) , I think you will have to get the marriage cert to see if her father is named to track her on the census.

Re the Worthing death, that is in the name of Hall so would suggest it isn't the right one, assuming she married again. I would look at that tree on Anc' but the page is "temporarily unavailable"


First name(s) VIOLET R
Last name HALL
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1899
Age 69
Death quarter 1
Death year 1968
District WORTHING
County Sussex
Volume 5H
Page 1098
Country England
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain

Hi RR - where did you find the info re. Violet Hale as an unpaid domestic?

Lisa