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looking for alexander john Cameron whom married Agnes Cunningham I know they where married 1936 which I have seen.

And had one child which I know who he is

thank you

Alexander John Cameron born when and where?

No marriage showing in England or Wales.

If it is Scotland...........you need this site........

http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/

They were married St Giles, Edinburgh 1936

Yes sorry they were from Edinburgh my apologies to you all

here is Detail's thread on 'living relatives' about the Canadian family of John's and Agnes's son

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/26/thread/1359801

it seemed reasonable to have a different thread about son James's ancestors

Detail, you need to go to

http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk

and find the marriage and view a copy of the marriage certificate - I think it can be viewed on line, not sure of the rules

you have to buy credits there - the marriage certificate will cost 5 credits to view

these are the details

1936
CAMERON ALEXANDER JOHN
CUNNINGHAM AGNES
ST GILES EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 685/04 0419

the marriage certificate will have their parents' names on it and you need that info to proceed further

once you have that, you can possibly use censuses to trace back but with Cameron being such a common name you may need to get more certificates

thank you joonieclonnie I have been on the Scotland people

I have found that site very helpful


CAMERON ALEXANDER JOHN
CUNNINGHAM AGNES
MARRIED APRIL 28TH 1936

PARENTS TO ALEXANDER JOHN CAMERON

ANNIE BROWN DAWSON/ CAMERON (MOTHER)
ALEXANDER JOHN CAMERON (FATHER)

I wanted to put this on here to it keeps it up to date

so are you thinking that James Alexander's real name was Alexander John?

2 Alexander John Camerons were born in 1943, none in 1944

given his rather chequered history ... anything is possible really


you need to get the Annie Dawson + Alexander Cameron marriage too, for their parents' names, to begin finding family in censuses

because Annie Brown Dawson and Alexander John Cameron who married 1936 were likely born after 1901 and even after 1911

(1911 census is available only at scotlandspeople on pay per view)

no sue give me the information on her grand parents names on her dads side that was but was able to give me address of where they lived and they run a sweet shop,

thank you so much for helping me

Detail you said that Alexander John Cameron and Agnes Cunningham were

PARENTS TO ALEXANDER JOHN CAMERON

but it is **James Alexander Cameron** their son whose children in Canada you are looking for ??

who is Alexander John Cameron? did you mean James Alexander Cameron?

WAIT, I see what you were saying - I misread it (because you were not clear!) -
you were saying that Alexander John Cameron married Agnes Cunningham, and HIS parents were Alexander John Cameron and Annie Brown Dawson

(not - that he and Agnes were the parents of Alexander John Cameron)

sorted now



in any case ... to trace Sue's paternal grandparents' ancestry ...

you still need to see the marriage certificate of Alexander John Cameron and Annie Brown Dawson - to get their own parents' names


... well, except that scotlandspeople shows no marriage for the names Alexander Cameron and Ann or Annie Dawson ...

rather than rely on Sue's info about her great-grandparents' names (the parents of Alexander John Cameron who married Agnes Cunningham), she should view the actual 1936 marriage certificate to see what it says

... or ... is that where you got the names?

Detail please try to give as clear info as possible ... the sources of info and exactly what they say

if you have seen the 1936 marriage certificate, does it give the bride's and groom's ages?

Out of sheer frustration at the lack of clarity in the information given by Detail and Sue, I've had a look at the 1936 marriage myself :-

27th April 1936, at 34 Chambers Street, Edinburgh, Alexander John Cameron, 37, distillery manager, widower, usual address Glenquaich, Oban [oh, that's interesting - I live near Oban, and know that house and the distillery!]
married Agnes Cunningham, boarding house proprietrix, spinster, 30, usual address Crescent Boarding House, 1 Victoria Crescent, Oban.

[1 Victoria Cres nowadays houses a 4-star hostel, with pub in basement.]

Alexander's parents:
Alexander John Cameron, company director, deceased.
ISABEL Brown Cameron, ms Dawson, deceased

Agnes's parents:
James Cunningham, contractor & coal merchant.
Agnes Cunningham, ms Hunter.

Made in Declaration in presence of Tom Mawson Waters, 21 Meadow Place road, Corstorphine, Edinburgh, and Isabel Brown Black [or possibly Blaik], 31 Kaimes Road, Edinburgh.

Not a church wedding. An "irregular marriage" - simply declaring in front of witnesses. Abolished in 1940.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_in_Scotland

phew!!! ArgyllGran.

So for starters, *Isabel* not *Annie* Brown Dawson was the mother of Alexander John Cameron who married in 1936.

I wonder who Isabel Brown Black/Blaik was ... a married sister of Alexander, named for her mother?

Maybe? 1901

James Cunningham
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Agnes Cunningham
Gender: Male
Where born: Greenock, Renfrewshire
Registration Number: 523
Registration district: Kilmore and Kilbride
Civil Parish: Kilmore and Kilbride
Town: Oban
County: Argyll
Address: 121 George Street
Occupation: Shop Manager Fishing Rod Mkr
ED: 1
Household schedule number: 69
LINE: 19
Roll: CSSCT1901_181
Household Members:
Name Age
James Cunningham 27
Agnes Cunningham 27 b. Oban
James Cunningham 2 b. Oban

The Scotsman dated 28 Apr 1936

CAMERON-CUNNINGHAM
At Edinburgh on 27 Apr, Alexander J Cameron, son of the late Mr and Mrs AJ Cameron of PERTH.
To Agnes ( Nessie) daughter of Mr And Mrs J Cunningham, 1 Victoria Cres, OBAN

???

Alexander J Cameron
in the 1901 Scotland Census
Name: Alexander J Cameron
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1899
Relationship: Son
Father's name: Alexander J Cameron
Mother's name: Isabella Cameron
Gender: Male
Where born: Perth, Perthshire
Registration Number: 387
Registration district: Perth <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Civil Parish: Perth
County: Perthshire
Address: Thistle Bank Glasgow Road
ED: 12
Household schedule number: 147
LINE: 12
Roll: CSSCT1901_124
Household Members:
Name Age
Alexander J Cameron 30 - born Fodderty, Ross-shire
Isabella Cameron 24 - Perth
Alexander J Cameron 2
Isabella Cameron 8 Mos - Perth
Mina Mouside 18 - servant

Alexander J's sister was Isabella Brown Cameron, born Perth 1900.

Her marriage:

1923 BLAIK DAVID JOHNSTONE
CAMERON ISABELLA BROWN
BLYTHSWOOD GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/10 1196

Seventeen Alexander John Camerons married 1916-35, none of them in Perthshire or Argyll, so can't discover his first marriage.

Re Isabel Brown Dawson -

The marriage of Alexander John (senior) and Isabella gives her middle name as Chisholm, not Brown (unless maybe Brown is another middle name which would show up on the image):

1897 CAMERON ALEXANDER JOHN
DAWSON ISABELLA CHISHOLM
PERTH /PERTH 387/00 0176


If that's the case, then the DOB on 1901 census is out by 3-4 years.

Isabella Chisholm Dawson
in the Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
Name: Isabella Chisholm Dawson
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 10 Jun 1873
Birth Place: Perth,Perth,Scotland
Father: Joseph Allan Dawson
Mother: Isabella Chisholm
FHL Film Number: 6035516


Isabella Dawson
in the 1881 Scotland Census
Name: Isabella Dawson
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Relationship: Daughter
Father's name: Joseph A Dawson
Mother's name: Isabella Dawson
Gender: Female
Where born: Perth, Perthshire
Registration Number: 387
Registration district: Perth
Civil Parish: Perth East Church
County: Perthshire
Address: Pickletullum House
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 9
Household schedule number: 298
LINE: 17
Roll: cssct1881_109
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph A Dawson 39
Isabella Dawson 33
Joseph A Dawson 12
Margaret Dawson 9
Isabella Dawson 7
Jane Dawson 5
Annie Bell 30 - visitor, Liverpool
Flora McDonald 20 - servant, Glasgow


Isabella C Dawson
in the 1891 Scotland Census
Name: Isabella C Dawson
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Relationship: Daur (Daughter)
Father's name: Joseph A Dawson
Mother's name: Isabella B Dawson
Gender: Female
Where born: (Perth), Perthshire
Registration Number: 387
Registration district: Perth
Civil Parish: Perth East Church
Town: Perth
County: Perthshire
Address: Waverley Villa
Occupation: At Home
ED: 9
Household schedule number: 101
LINE: 23
Roll: CSSCT1891_117
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph A Dawson 49
Isabella B Dawson 44 - born Fife
Margaret K Dawson 19
Isabella C Dawson 17
Jane F Dawson 15
John B Dawson 5
Isabella Shand 18 - servant, Huntly


However, the "Brown" seems to come from Isabella Chisholm Dawson's mother:

Isabella B Dawson
in the 1871 Scotland Census
Name: Isabella B Dawson
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1846
Relationship: Wife
Gender: Female
Where born: Abbotshill, fifeshire [ will be Abbotshall ]
Registration Number: 685/5
Registration district: Newington
Civil Parish: Edinburgh St Cuthberts
County: Midlothian
Address: 1, Rockville Pl
Occupation: Commercial Traveller Wife
ED: 47
Household schedule number: 43
LINE: 2
Roll: CSSCT1871_165
Household Members:
Name Age
Isabella B Dawson 25
Joseph A Dawson 2
Agnes W Brown 16 - sister-in-law (presumably of the unlisted - or maybe just untranscribed - Joseph)
Cathrine Marshall 22 - visitor


???
Joseph Dawson
in the Scotland, Select Marriages, 1561-1910
Name: Joseph Dawson
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 8 Oct 1867
Marriage Place: Edinburgh Parish,Edinburgh,Midlothian,Scotland
Spouse: Isabella Brown
FHL Film Number: 6035516

OMG!

Thank you So Much,

I Have So Much To Relay Back To Sue,

and poor woman feel she hasn't got any family at all,

we are hoping that trying to build a family tree for her will shed some light on more family for her and to try find these ones in Canada, but as they don't know about sue. but I would think that they would want to know about their father or maybe not I cant be the judge of that one.

thank you so much