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(wondered if below related to husband of Mary)

Chris :)

Marriages Dec 1850 (>99%)
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Hill George William Runcorn 19 273
Marshall Emma Grace Runcorn 19 273


Cheshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1850

HILL George William MARSHALL Emma Grace Runcorn, All Saints Halton C12/2/249

http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/index.php


19 October 1850 - Manchester Courier and Lancashire General Advertiser

Marriage
On the 8th inst., at the Parish Church, Runcorn, George Wm. Hill, Esq, of Outrington, to Emma Grace, only surviving child of the late Lieutenant Wm. G. Marshall, H.E I.C.B., and niece of the late Colonel Marshall, 82nd Regiment.

(image on FMP, her Father, William George Marshall, occ. Naval Lieutenant. No age for her, Minor)

Chris...I am near demented with these families...!!!
Have been all over Scotland with the Kibble/Kibbels....apart from going back and forth to Mauritius..!

I have no doubt that the above you have posted belongs to the Marshall's but working that one out.. well that's another hour going out the window...

Here She is.....

Name Emma Grace Marshall
Gender Female
Christening Date 11 Nov 1832
Christening Place Runcorn Parish
Father's Name William George Marshall
Mother's Name Catherine Marshall

Eringobragh,
I had a look at the Kibbles a few days ago.
*** I know that at least one or two of James Kibble's children married and remained in Scotland.... See footnote
His sister Isabella was the 2nd wife of James Hervey ( married 1798)
Son James married Christina Hervey in Manchester ( 2x children b in Glasgow)

Dau Elizabeth married James Hervey in Glasgow 1849 and are found living in Mosside, Manchester at 1851.
On this census, James Hervey was 38yrs old and place of birth is given as Isle Of Bourbon.
Bourbon is now called Reunion

Therefore:
1851 found in Mosside. Place of birth: Ile Of Bourbon
1861 found in Macclesfield Place of birth: Mauritius
1871 found in Chorley. Place of birth: Maritius
1881 found i Chorley. Place of birth; Mauritius
1891 found in Chorley. Place of birth: Mauritius
1901 Found in Alderley Edge. Place of birth: BOURBON
.
Lle Bourbon/Reunion is also in the Indian Ocean and lies about 109 mls southeast of Mauritius

Not sure who his father was but surely he must be a grandson from the first marriage of of James Hervey?
( husband of both Jean Winning and Isabella Kibble)

His approx year of birth is consistently 1813
This suggests that all sons from James Hervey's 2nd marriage in 1798 would be too young to be this man's father.

Wonder if Nicola knows?

Footnote
*** I was given access to a GR tree from 2011.
The person gave me access re a potential common rellie but, we have no connection. The contact did not removed my access
On a GR search yesterday, I realised that the Kibble family is in THIS tree and took a look!
Assuming the info is correct ( some of it certainly is), it may fill in some Kibble gaps for Nicola

(thankyou for following her up E, been too nice here to sit inside, lol, was following your News find, am sure there are probably more items relating in papers, haven't read back, do we know the name of Major Marshall?)

Chris :)

My head is whirling. Far too many James/Kibble/Hervey/Marshall et al for my poor brain.

But please give me a little time to jot all this down on paper and try to draw trees between all these marriages!

I'LL BE BACK ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-)

CHRISTIAN/ CHRISTINA Hervey dau of James Hervey and Jean Winning
appears at 1841 as Schoolmistress in Neston, Cheshire with sisters Jane and Janet but not located again.

Name: Christian Hervey
Registration Year: 1850
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Wirral
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Cheshire

_______________________________

JANE/ JEAN HERVEY dau of James Hervey and Jean Winning.

Jane is on the 1841 census in Neston, Staffs with sisters, Christina and Janet.
She is found again on 1851 census in Brewood, Staffordshire with sisters Janet and Mary Marshall.
By 1861 her sisters Mary and Janet were now in St Catherine's Gloucester, but no Jane.
I know why!

Jane entered Fairwater Asylum, Taunton in 1860 and died there in 1862
Name: Jane Hervey
Gender: Female
Admission Date: 20 Mar 1860
Institution: Fairwater Ho.
Intitution Place: United Kingdom
Death Date: 7 Jan 1862
Death Place: United Kingdom


Jane Hervey
Registration Year: 1862
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Taunton
Parishes for this Registration District:
Inferred County: Somerset
Volume: 5c
Page: 306

Jane was unmarried and probate granted to her sister Janet Hervey .
____________________________

JANET Hervey. Dau of James Hervey and Jean Winning
Found on all census returns 1841-1871

Name: Janet Hervey
Estimated birth year: abt 1793
Registration Year: 1880
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 87
Registration district: Taunton

No probate found

Sarah Hervey married James Kibble 1839 Manchester

Children : James William Kibble b 26 Mar 1841 Gorbals, Glasgow
Hervey Kibble b 11 Feb 1843 Gorbals, Glasgow


1841: Abbotsford Place, Gorbals

James Kibble 35 Merchant B Lanarkshire
Sarah Kibble 35 b Scotland
James Kibble 2 Mo
Catherine Mclaren 45 Female Servant
Mary Forrester 25 Female Servant

1851, Sarah is a widow living at Lyzare on the Isle Of Man
Mistrancribed as Ribble

Sarah Ribble 46 Widow B Scotland
James Wm Ribble 10 Son B Scotland
Hervey Ribble 8 Son B Scotland
Ellen Fargher 19 Servant B IOM

1861: Chorlton upon Medlock, Lancs
Name Age
Sarah Kibble 60
J W Kibble 20
Henry Kibble 16 ( Should read Hervey)
Margaret Brown 20 Servant

Hervey Kibble married Mary Louisa Bayley 1 Aug 1867 in Manchester.
Family and children easily tracked until Hervey's death in 1883


1871: Mosside Lancashire
Name Age
Sarah Kibble 71
James Wm Kibble 30
Mary Pimblett 17 Servant
Margaret Williamson 68 Servant

Sarah drops off census returns ( not the Sarah Kibble who died in Essex 1881)
James William remains single until his death 20 Jun 1902

(saw below)

Chris :)

27 August 1850 - Liverpool Mercury - Liverpool, Merseyside, England

ASHFIELD - HOUSE, NESTON, NEAR PARKGATE CHESIRE.
To Be Let, and entered upon at Christmas, this delightfully situated, large and commodious residence, for many years past in the occupation of the Misses Hervey as a Ladies Boarding School of celebrity. As they are retiring from school duties, they will dispose of their household furniture and effects for the moderate sum of £300. This comprises 23 beds, with good hair mattresses, blankets, four piano fortes, and every requisite for a large school of the first class. The house may be had for a term of years at the same rent the Misses Hervey have paid, and may be viewed and further particulars had of Miss Hervey, but no one need apply who cannot advance the money on entering the premises.


06 April 1850 - Manchester Courier and Lancashire General Advertiser

PARTNERSHIPS DISSOLVED
Hervey and Lascelles, Neston, Cheshire, schoolmistresses

(another dated 15th April, Janet Hervey, Frances Lascelles, Neston, Cheshire schoolmistresses. Debts received and paid by Hervey)

Nicola...Taken all day and plenty of patience but satisfied my curiosity re Lt Colonel Marshall ....!!

Christian name GEORGE...

Everything referred only to Lt.Colonel Marshall but persistence pays of eventually..

I found he was stationed in Gib.in the late 1830s and the following sent me to Jamaica West Indies...

" 19 Dec.1839 Lt.Colonel Marshall sailed from Gib. for the West Indies arriving 4th. Feb 1840.The 82nd Reg were there until 1843 but lost 200 men and eight officers in the first year to yellow fever Including Lt Colonel Marshall "
This Lt Colonel Marshall could have been anyone but I then cross ref.and found the following.

From "Wellington's Men Remembered" Vol.2

MARSHAL GEORGE.
Captain 82nd Prince of Wales Volunteer Regiment of Foot
Box Tomb
New Burial Ground
Up Park Camp
St Andrew's Parish
Kingston
Jamaica

" Sacred to the memory of George Marshall K.H (Think that may mean Kings Horse)
Late Lt.Colonel Commanding HMS 82nd Reg.of Foot. Who after 42 years of Meritorious Service died of fever 2nd.June 1841 at U.P.C. (Up Park Camp)
Aged 58years."
There is a photo of the tomb in the book but not able to access it...

I think he must be Mary Hervey's husband....will continue perusing to see if I can further confirm it.....

Well Done Eringobragh !

Odd that only the daughters from James Hervey's first marriage are found.
Eldest daughter Elizabeth b 1782 is still unnacounted for but, she would already be 20yrs old when her youngest, Scots born, half sibling was born.

Others are:
James b 1781 and William b 1795

William b 1785 ( assumed to have died in infancy as name reused in 1795)
Robert b 1792 ( " " " " " " " " reused on 2nd marriage)

On the Paisley Death index, there is a Hervey child listed. Dated 25 Sep 1795
No name on the index which often infers the child was not baptised or, it could be either William (1) or Robert (1) with his name omitted from the index ?

Assuming that the female death refers to Jean Hervey Ms Winning, then she died 21 Dec 1795

OPR Death Search PAISLEY:
The entries may refer to burials as SP make no distinction on the search index.
Where the name James Hervie is showing, it's becauset his name appears within the record but it's not the name of the deceased.
1) un named
2) George
3) Jean


1 25/09/1795 HERVIE ----- JAMES HERVIE M ABBEY /RENFREW 559/00 0050 0211

2 14/09/1773 HERVIE GEORGE ----- M ABBEY /RENFREW 559/00 0050 0100
3 21/12/1795 HERVIE JEAN JAMES HERVIE F ABBEY /RENFREW 559/00 0050 0212

No deaths in Paisley OPR for variant names Hervey/Harvey between 1759 and 1810

I have been trying to find to some degree the family of George Marshall and Mary Hervey listed on the 1871 Census eg. George R J Marshall and William FT.Marshall

It appears that Mary Marshall may have died 1871 Registered Tewksbury .

George Robert J Marshall aged 46 died and is Registered Jan. quarter 1873 Taunton Devon.
William F T aged 42 died 1872 and is Registered Devon Dec quarter.1872. Newton Abbot Devon.

Given the ages and names/initials of both the above men its a distinct probability they are the son's listed living with Mary Marshall 1871.

William F T Marshall is on the 1851 Census at Brompton Barrack's Medway Gillingham Kent.
Occupation: Ensign Army

Cant find George Rbt.J Marshall (1851)

1861 George Rbt.J Marshall is on the Census in St Helier .
Occupation : Late Captain on Half Pay. 27th Regiment.

Cant locate William F T.Marshall 1861.

Nicola.. If you already any of the above and following info supplied re Marshall's ..say nothing or I will have lost the will to live..

Searched and found the Will's for Mary Hervey Marshall and William but cannot locate one for George Robert J.

Mary Marshall (widow) died 2 October 1871 Tewksbury. Will was proved 1 November a Gloucester by Charles Robert Creese Bank Cashier one of the Executors.

William Frederick Thomas Marshall Esq. Late of Teignbridge House Kingsleign Devon.
Died 29 September 1872
Will Proved at Principal Registry 18th October 1872.
ROBERT KIBBLE HERVEY...Barrister at Law of 2 Cromwell Tce Bayswater and Wm. Rawlins Barrister at Law 18 Down St. Mayfair.

How you can untangle these families is beyond me....!!!

You can access the above on National Archives site.and send for copies.

(perhaps he was in India 1861)

Chris :)

18 August 1866 - Army and Navy Gazette - London, London, England

“... following officers to have the local rank of Major in India
Captain William F. T. Marshall, 19th Foot; March 13


Ancestry carries England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966

(also online)

https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills

Find a will
Wills and Probate 1996 to present
Wills and Probate 1858 – 1996
Soldier's Wills


30 October 1872 - Exeter Flying Post - Exeter, Devon, England

Births
October 23 at Teignbridge House, near Newton Abbot, Mrs. W. F. T. MARSHALL, a son.


(probably below)

Births Dec 1872 (>99%)
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MARSHALL Frank William Newton A. 5b 148


1881 (Find My Past)
Edith Mary Marshall Head Widow Female 32 1849 Income From Dividends On Personal Property & Settlements Moseley, Worcestershire, England
Frank Wm Marshall Son Single Male 8 1873 Scholar Devon, England
Rebecca Osborne Servant Single Female 20 1861 Gen Serv Middlesex, England
Parish Yaxley
County Suffolk
Registration district Hartismere
Archive reference RG11
Piece number 1854
Folio 25
Page 10

Thanks for that Chris..!! Thought I would have a Hervie/Kibble/Marshall free day but you have my curiosity going again...didn't realise WFTM had married.. and only just before he died..

Edith M .b 1849 was the daughter of Samuel and Catherine..He was a JP and Manuf. living Moseley Worcs.eventually ending up living in Kingston (on Thames)1881




Edith Mary Rawlins

England and Wales Marriage Registration Index

Name Edith Mary Rawlins
Event Type Marriage
Registration Quarter Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration Year 1871
Registration District Droitwich
County Worcestershire
Event Place Droitwich, Worcestershire, England
Volume 6C
Page 540
Line Number 254


Worcester Herald Worcestershire, England

26 Aug 1871




Arthur Rawlins, cousin of the bride, assisted by tho Rev. W. J. Small wood, vicar, Major William Thomas Marshall (h.p.), late 19th Regiment, youngest son i„4.„ r?li„„„i nr„«.v_ii '* , 82nd Regiment, to Edith Mary - , second daughter of Samuel Rawlins, Esq

Well Edith M (Rawlins) Marshall has me puzzled but don't have access to check Census images....

1891 She is living Gloucester Tce Paddington....age and place of birth correct. She is stated as being "Daughter" to Head of family but only showing herself and a niece and couple of servants.

1901 She is stated as being a "Sister of Bethany" (Sister of Mercy) living Clerkenwell. ...again age and place of Birth corresponds

1911 Finds her living in an "Institution" in Christchurch Bournemouth.

There is a "Willie" Marshall b 1872 Devon living and working as a Shipping Clerk in Islington 1891 could possibly be Frank Wm

Death Notice for George RJ Marshall..(G "M" J Marshall on notice)

The Western Times Exeter Tuesday 11 March 1873

February 4 Wellington Terrace Taunton aged 46 Years. Late Capt.36 Regiment.

Very sparce with details..!!!

Like Erin, I feel somewhat 'beseiged' by all of this. I think that I'm going to have to bypass the Marshall's because although they have a relationship with my lot, it's just getting too thin!!

Give me some time to sort all the above out. Darkened room, quart of strong coffee, no distractions ........................

I may need several days on this one - current living family beckons.

:-) :-)

I'm back - sort of.
There is SO MUCH information which you've all uncovered and it ALL fits in with handed down family notes/scribbles/hand drawn trees/letters, etc.
Some of what you've all found above I had already found, too; but most of it is fresh and fascinating.
THANK YOU.
And to Chris Ho:) - please could you ping me the full text of those notices about the winding up of the Hervey sisters' school? I'd be very grateful.
:-D

(other bit added on Ashfield House, nothing else on other snippets)

Chris :)

http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/

(think you would probably find more on family, if you have time, worth looking on above)


29 June 1850 - Manchester Courier and Lancashire General Advertiser

Death
On the 24th inst., at Seacombe, Christina, eldest daughter of the late James Hervey, Esq., of this town,