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Anthony has read my message.

I've had a crashing computer and have just come here on a loaner, so I don't know when it was read in the last 24 hours, but unless it was in the last few minutes and Anthony is reading as I type, I guess we aren't worth acknowledging.

Or maybe his computer crashed too. :-D

If Norman was the son of Richard Hill and Maria Waring- this is the birth on Lancs BMD:

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1907
HILL Norman Blackpool A Blackpool WARING BLKA/37/73

1891- 1911 his father Richard is a photographer (not a labourer as stated on his marriage to Dorothy).
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I also wondered if Dorothy had a child before her marriage?

Births Jun 1926
Ingleby Leslie Ingleby Fylde 8e 864

Deaths Jun 1926
Ingleby Leslie 0 Fylde 8e 765

Birth on Lancs BMD:
INGLEBY Leslie INGLEBY 1926 Blackpool North Lancashire Blackpool BN/7/81

http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/cgi/birthind.cgi?county=lancashire

Thanks Joonie. I was thinking the same thing and had decided to do likewise if Anthony hadn't acknowledged the efforts by this morning :-)

I suppose this time around somebody should point out to Anthony that people are trying to help him and he should return to threads that he posts ...

so I will send a PM

Anthony, do you know of any brothers or sisters that Dorothy may have had?

Also, like most of the other helpers I'd be interested to know how you know that Dorothy was born in Pateley Bridge?

Thanks.

Yes, you did indeed suggest that scenario Joonie. I think I had forgotten as I felt we were leaning towards the Doris 1905 and my gut feeling was that she was a different person and was busy trying to prove that. My apologies Joonie.

I think Mary's suggestion about the second marriage certificate may help. It would be interested to see her stated age on that.

So far we have her birth as 20 May 1909, 20 May 1910 and aged 20 on her marriage certificate in August 1927!!!!!!

rootgatherer 'It's beginning to look like her birth was registered under her mother's surname but as an adult she knew and used her father's surname.'

yes, one of the several common scenarios for 'father's name' on marriage certificates that I mentioned early on :-)

and of course I had posted all the Robert William Ingleby birth to death info, except hadn't got the 1911 safc found (silly me, I looked for Dorothy in that census by initials!)

problem with Dorothy is there seems to be no birth that fits Dorothy's stated names/dob under any surname ...

So not Robert William Ingleby 1881 then.

The Willis name seems to crop up in other families.

Willis Ingleby 1845 Ripon area parents John 1809 and Alice.

1881 Royal Oak Grewelthorpe Yorkshire d2>6
Willis Ingleby born laverton a farmer and Innkeeper.

Maryb.

Well found safc.

As we haven't found Dorothy Evelyn on the 1911 census using the surname Ingleby, I wondering what evidence Anthony has of her birthplace.

It's beginning to look like her birth was registered under her mother's surname but as an adult she knew and used her father's surname.

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

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First name(s) R W
Last name I
Relationship Patient
Marital status Single
Sex Male
Occupation Formerly Architect
Age 29
Birth year 1882
Address Heslington Road York
Parish -
County Yorkshire, Yorkshire (East Riding)
Country England
Archive reference RG14
Registration district York
Registration district number 517
Enumeration district 0
District number -
Sub district York East
Sub district number 2
Census reference RG14PN28424 RD517 SD2 ED0 SN3
Piece number 28424
Folio -
Page -
Other household member first name(s) -
Other household member last name -
Record set 1911 Census for England & Wales
Category Census, land & surveys

In 1939 he's in The Retreat and it says he's single.

I think I looked for him already in 1911 Mary but couldn't find him. I'll try again.

Can anyone find Robert William Ingleby in 1911 he was born Pateley Bridge O/N/D 1881 V9a P60 parents Robert 1834-1911 and Mary Jane nee Tennant.

1901 Robert W is in Sunderland something to do with Architect.
No sign 1911 he died in York in 1956 V2d P959

A tree has him on Ancestry,says he died at The Retreat in York (seems to be a kind of mental hospital)probate to his sister and he was buried with them I think.

I'am just trying to rule him out.

Maryb.

Just to confirm the post above by Mary


1939 REGISTER TRANSCRIPTION
Kerry Household (3 People)
28 Grasmere Avenue , Stockport C.B., Cheshire, England

Harry E Kerry
DOB 26 Apr 1904
SEX Male
OCCUPATION Bus Driver
MARITAL STATUS Married
SCHEDULE 206
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 1

Doris Quarman (Kerry)
DOB 30 Sep 1905
SEX Female
OCCUPATION Unpaid Domestic Duties
MARITAL STATUS Married
SCHEDULE 206
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 2

Barbara I Chisholm (Kerry)
DOB 21 Mar 1932
SEX Female
OCCUPATION At School
MARITAL STATUS Single
SCHEDULE 206
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 4

There is also a closed record, probably another child from the marriage.




Well done Mary! That surely confirms that Doris and Dorothy Evelyn are not one and the same :-)

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Doris Ingleby born Keighley 1905.Did she get
married June 1924 in Chorlton lancs to Harry E Kerry V8c P1769

Doris Kerry married J/A/S 1952 in Surrey Albert W Giles V5g P1663.

Doris Giles married 1967 in Surrey 1967 V5g P1436 to Lewis S Quarman V55 P1436 he died 1968 Surrey.

Doris Quarman born 30/9/1905 died 3/8/2002 Guildford Surrey.

Maryb.

She was living as Farrer before her marriage? Just wondering why she'd marry in Cheltenham? Do you have this certificate Anthony?

Marriages Mar 1973
FARRER DOROTHY E FARRER CHELTENHAM 7B 681
FARRER LESLIE FARRER CHELTENHAM 7B 681
FARRER LESLIE HILL CHELTENHAM 7B 681
HILL DOROTHY E FARRER CHELTENHAM 7B 681
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Probably coincidence- these people appear together on other electoral registers (Dorothy without an E middle name, and Leslie with a J middle name)

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1952

20 Hyde Park Place Paddington, Westminster
Dorothy E Farrer
Leslie Farrer

Looks to be a large shared residence- about 20 people listed

EDIT: Not the right couple- found marriage of Leslie J Farrer and Dorothy Jenner in Kensington 1938
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Another thing that's bugging me- how do you know she was born in Pateley Bridge?

Maybe this time Anthony will come back to his thread instead of just ignoring what people did and starting over again, again.

I guess the only way to find out is to buy the birth certificate!

Not sure if I'm getting confused Gins (some would say nothing new there lol) but I thought the favoured birth was for Doris daughter of Robert Henry which is this birth

Dec 1905
Ingleby Doris Keighley 9a 169


I just think that Dorothy Evelyn was celebrating her birth on 20 May and it's her age that is in doubt.

It may be, as Mary has suggested, that the second marriage certificate may give different details for her father.

RG, no need for an apology :-)

I don't understand. If she was born in May (whatever year) she wouldn't have been registered from Oct - December

I am asking in case I've missed something :-S