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Fiona
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14 Apr 2016 15:29 |
I am trying to find the marriage between Dr. George Arthur James Teasdale b. 1889 in Middlesborough and Dr. (although at the time of their marriage she may not have been qualified) Elizabeth Helen Waller. b .c1884 It was definitely a second marriage for him, his first wife having died. The only information I have on Elizabeth is her death record--Rhodesia 1957 which states that she had at some time had a child - Arthur had no children so she was probably married before.- and her entries on the B.M.A. register. I have copious amounts of information on George from birth to death. I know where they both were after 1931. I think the marriage took place between 1927 and 1931 both would seem to have been practising in this country at the time. I would be very grateful if anyone can find this "missing piece" as I have exhausted all the record sources I have access to. Thanks.
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AnnCardiff
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14 Apr 2016 15:40 |
Name George Arthur Jane Teasdale Event Type Census Event Date 1911 County Derbyshire Parish Eckington Sub-District Eckington Registration District Chesterfield Gender Male Age 21 Birthplace Middlesbrough, Yorkshire Record Type Household
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ArgyllGran
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14 Apr 2016 16:01 |
Fiona - I know Elizabeth had the surname Teasdale on the travel records from 1931 onwards, but what is the reason you think the marriage (if any) was not before 1927? Is that when George's first wife died?
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AnnCardiff
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14 Apr 2016 16:47 |
George A J Teasdale England and Wales Census, 1891 Name George A J Teasdale Event Type Census Event Date 1891 County Yorkshire, Yorkshire (North Riding) Parish Middlesbrough Ecclesiastical Parish ST JOHNS Registration District Middlesbrough Residence Note Waterloo Road Gender Male Age 2 Relationship to Head of Household Son Birth Year (Estimated) 1889 Birthplace Yorkshire, England Page Number 5 Registration Number RG12 Piece/Folio 4011/ 29
George R Teasdale Head M 32 Durham Mary E Teasdale Wife F 37 Berkshire, Wittenham George A J Teasdale Son M 2 Yorkshire, England Harriet Alford Servant F 13 Yorkshire, England
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AnnCardiff
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14 Apr 2016 16:50 |
George A Teesdale England and Wales Census, 1901 Name George A Teesdale Event Type Census Event Date 31 Mar 1901 Event Place Middlesbrough, Yorkshire (North Riding), England County Yorkshire (North Riding) Civil Parish Middlesbrough Ecclesiastical Parish St Johns Sub-District Middlesbrough Registration District Middlesbrough Residence Note Abingdon Road Gender Male Age 11 Relationship to Head of Household Son Birth Year (Estimated) 1890 Birthplace Middlesbrough, Yorkshire Schedule Type 137 Page Number 18
George R Teesdale Head M 41 Bishop Auckland, Durham Mary E Teesdale Wife F 46 Wittenham, Berkshire George A Teesdale Son M 11 Middlesbrough, Yorkshire William R Teesdale Son M 8 Middlesbrough, Yorkshire
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AustinQ
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14 Apr 2016 17:19 |
Fiona, where is it referenced that Elizabeth's former name was Waller?
Do you have a copy of her Will?
National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
Name: Elizabeth Helen Teasdale Probate Date: 6 Feb 1958 Registry: London, England Death Date: 23 Feb 1957 Death Place: Rhodesia --------------------------------------------------------
Portsmouth Evening News - Tuesday 20 February 1940 Error of Judgement Dr. Elizabeth H Teasdale of Recreation Ground Road, Newport was fined 10s and costs at Newport Borough Police Court yesterday for careless driving.
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malyon
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14 Apr 2016 17:27 |
George Arthur James Teasdale United Kingdom, Merchant Navy Seamen Records Name George Arthur James Teasdale Event Type Military Service Event Year Range 1921-1941 Event Place United Kingdom Birthplace Yorkshire Birth Year 1889
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malyon
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14 Apr 2016 17:31 |
is this george's first marriage
George A J Teasdale mentioned in the record of Teasdale and George A J Teasdale Name George A J Teasdale Event Type Marriage Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec Registration Year 1915 Registration District Kings Norton County Worcestershire Event Place Kings Norton, Worcestershire, England Spouse Name (available after 1911) Teasdale Volume 6D Page 324 Line Number 69 George A J Teasdale probably married one of the following people Name Christine I Teasdale
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AustinQ
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14 Apr 2016 17:41 |
Death Name: Christine I Teasdale Birth Date: abt 1886 Date of Registration: Dec 1918 Age at Death: 32 Registration district: Camberwell Inferred County: London Volume: 1d Page: 1868
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AustinQ
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14 Apr 2016 17:59 |
Her maiden name was Gracey:
Marriage: First name(s) Elizabeth Helen Last name Gracey Marriage year 1910 Marriage date 12 Nov 1910 Spouse's first name Cyprian Hilton Spouse's last name Waller Place Allahabad Presidency Bengal Groom's age 28 Bride's age 27 Groom's father's first name Cyprian Hilton Groom's father's last name Waller Bride's father's first name Thomas Bride's father's last name Gracey -------------------------------------------------------------
Birth: First name(s) ELIZABETH HELEN Last name GRACEY Birth year 1883 Birth quarter 2 District NEWTON ABBOT County Devon Volume 5B Page 140
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malyon
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14 Apr 2016 17:59 |
the death for christine teasdale
Deaths Dec 1918 (>99%) Teasdale Christine I 32 Camberwell 1d 1868
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Fiona
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14 Apr 2016 18:06 |
thank you for your replies-- Malyon--yes that`s George`s first marriage, to Christine Isobel Teasdale (his second cousin, I think) she died in the flu epidemic 1918. and yes, he was ships surgeon 1925-1927.
AustinQ--Elizabeth is on the British medical Register as Elizabeth Teasdale (formerly Waller) she qualified 1927/8. She first got a "licentiate" then M.R.C.V.S.. No I don`t have a copy of her will only the probate. I hadn`t found the "careless driving" report--can`t be many Dr. Elizabeth H Teasdales can there so I asume that`s her--they were living in Hants at the time.
Thanks AnnCardiff--George has been fairly easy to trace and I have these records.
Argyl Gran--the marriage could possibly have been pre-1927 but as Elizabeth didn`t qualify until then I think it unlikely as women med. students weren`t meant to marry. I did rather assume there was a marriage as they were both doctors and widely travelled so they would have had to produce "marriage lines" for various documents.
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AustinQ
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14 Apr 2016 18:12 |
Name: Elizabeth Waller Gender: Female Age: 42 Birth Year: abt 1884 Birth Country: England Date of Arrival: 23 Jan 1926 Vessel: Montrose Port of Arrival: St John, New Brunswick, Canada Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
She's visiting for about six months to friend Miss May Whittaker, Grace Hospital, Winnipeg/ Closest relative Brother, Lt Col T Gracey, Northcote, Devon
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malyon
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14 Apr 2016 18:14 |
this looks like george's birth seems he is george james a teasdale not george arthur j
Births Jun 1889 Teasdale George James A Middlesbro' 9d 577
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AustinQ
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14 Apr 2016 18:25 |
And this may be the child she had:
First name(s) JAMES Last name WALLER Birth year 1911 Birth quarter 3 Mother's last name GRACEY District WOOLWICH County London Volume 1D Page 2276 ------------------------------------------
Baptised India:
First name(s) James Last name Waller Baptism year 1911 Birth year 1911 Place Secunderabad Presidency Madras Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth Helen Father's first name(s) Cyprian Hilton Father's last name Waller Baptism date 2 Nov 1911 Birth date 06 Sep 1911 -----------------------------------------------
Her husband's death:
First name(s) Cyprian Hilton Last name Waller Birth year 1882 Death date 22 Dec 1915 Death year 1915 Age 33 Burial date 23 Dec 1915 Place Secunderabad Presidency Madras
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Fiona
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14 Apr 2016 18:52 |
AustinQ--what a star, thank you. Please could you tell me how you found her? I thought the only way to do it would be to go back from her marriage to George which is the one I can`t find. I did wonder if they`d married at sea as they were so fond of travel but I had no luck there either. George is quite definitely George Arthur James although his name does sometimes appear in different forms which hasn`t helped. Cyprian Hilton sounds intriguing doesn`t he? I`ll have to come back to this tomorrow when I`ve digested everything you`ve sent. thank you all.
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ArgyllGran
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14 Apr 2016 19:05 |
Son James??
James Waller in the UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960 Name: James Waller Gender: Male Age: 3 Birth Date: abt 1911 Departure Date: 21 Nov 1914 Port of Departure: London, England Destination Port: Bombay, India Ship Name: Caledonia Shipping line: P & O S N Co Official Number: 102390 Master: E R Dowell
Country of intended permanent residence: India
I'm not sure who he's travelling with. Either a widow, Mrs V A Sewell, 74,intending to stay in India, or a spinster, Miss D M Shaw, 23, intending to return to England.
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AustinQ
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14 Apr 2016 19:54 |
OK, I need to do a bit more digging as this came up on fibis, and wife doesn't match for that 1915 death:
Graves and Monuments:
Surname WALLER Given Names Cyprian Hilton Relationship husband Deceased Occupation N G S Ry Wife/husband/ parents Elsie Waller Death Date 19 December 1915 Age 33 yrs wifes parents and other relations younger son C G Waller Wealdstone Middx Inscription Cyprian Hilton Waller, of the N.G.S. Railway, husband of Elsie Waller, younger son of C H Waller, Wealdstone, Middx., died 19 December 1915, aged 33 years click to find all other "Church / Cemetery"s with value "Main Cemetery, Secunderabad" in "Inscriptions Volume 1" Church / Cemetery Main Cemetery, Secunderabad -----------------------------------------------
And from the Time of India:
Surname Waller Given name(s) Cyprian Hilton (Jim) Place Secunderabad Year 1915 month Dec day 22 Register Entry On December 22nd at Secunderabad Deccan Cyprian Hilton (Jim) Waller of the Nizam's State Railway dearly loved husband of Elsie Waller aged 33 Edition Year 1916 Edition Date 7 Jan
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Chris Ho :)
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14 Apr 2016 20:37 |
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi
(above has 1915 Death, also below)
Chris :)
Family links: Parents: Cyprian Hilton Waller (____ - 1934) Alice Elizabeth Waller (____ - 1923)
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ArgyllGran
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14 Apr 2016 21:02 |
Elsie could be a diminutive of Elizabeth, and her age at Cyprian's death is OK
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