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Fiona

Fiona Report 14 Apr 2016 15:29

I am trying to find the marriage between Dr. George Arthur James Teasdale b. 1889 in Middlesborough and Dr. (although at the time of their marriage she may not have been qualified) Elizabeth Helen Waller. b .c1884
It was definitely a second marriage for him, his first wife having died.
The only information I have on Elizabeth is her death record--Rhodesia 1957 which states that she had at some time had a child - Arthur had no children so she was probably married before.- and her entries on the B.M.A. register.
I have copious amounts of information on George from birth to death.
I know where they both were after 1931.
I think the marriage took place between 1927 and 1931 both would seem to have been practising in this country at the time.
I would be very grateful if anyone can find this "missing piece" as I have exhausted all the record sources I have access to.
Thanks.

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 14 Apr 2016 15:40

Name George Arthur Jane Teasdale
Event Type Census
Event Date 1911
County Derbyshire
Parish Eckington
Sub-District Eckington
Registration District Chesterfield
Gender Male
Age 21
Birthplace Middlesbrough, Yorkshire
Record Type Household

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 14 Apr 2016 16:01

Fiona -
I know Elizabeth had the surname Teasdale on the travel records from 1931 onwards, but what is the reason you think the marriage (if any) was not before 1927?
Is that when George's first wife died?

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 14 Apr 2016 16:47



George A J Teasdale

England and Wales Census, 1891

Name George A J Teasdale
Event Type Census
Event Date 1891
County Yorkshire, Yorkshire (North Riding)
Parish Middlesbrough
Ecclesiastical Parish ST JOHNS
Registration District Middlesbrough
Residence Note Waterloo Road
Gender Male
Age 2
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Birth Year (Estimated) 1889
Birthplace Yorkshire, England
Page Number 5
Registration Number RG12
Piece/Folio 4011/ 29


George R Teasdale Head M 32 Durham
Mary E Teasdale Wife F 37 Berkshire, Wittenham
George A J Teasdale Son M 2 Yorkshire, England
Harriet Alford Servant F 13 Yorkshire, England

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 14 Apr 2016 16:50



George A Teesdale

England and Wales Census, 1901

Name George A Teesdale
Event Type Census
Event Date 31 Mar 1901
Event Place Middlesbrough, Yorkshire (North Riding), England
County Yorkshire (North Riding)
Civil Parish Middlesbrough
Ecclesiastical Parish St Johns
Sub-District Middlesbrough
Registration District Middlesbrough
Residence Note Abingdon Road
Gender Male
Age 11
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Birth Year (Estimated) 1890
Birthplace Middlesbrough, Yorkshire
Schedule Type 137
Page Number 18


George R Teesdale Head M 41 Bishop Auckland, Durham
Mary E Teesdale Wife F 46 Wittenham, Berkshire
George A Teesdale Son M 11 Middlesbrough, Yorkshire
William R Teesdale Son M 8 Middlesbrough, Yorkshire

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 14 Apr 2016 17:19

Fiona, where is it referenced that Elizabeth's former name was Waller?

Do you have a copy of her Will?

National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966

Name: Elizabeth Helen Teasdale
Probate Date: 6 Feb 1958
Registry: London, England
Death Date: 23 Feb 1957
Death Place: Rhodesia
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Portsmouth Evening News - Tuesday 20 February 1940
Error of Judgement
Dr. Elizabeth H Teasdale of Recreation Ground Road, Newport was fined 10s and costs at Newport Borough Police Court yesterday for careless driving.

malyon

malyon Report 14 Apr 2016 17:27


George Arthur James Teasdale
United Kingdom, Merchant Navy Seamen Records
Name George Arthur James Teasdale
Event Type Military Service
Event Year Range 1921-1941
Event Place United Kingdom
Birthplace Yorkshire
Birth Year 1889

malyon

malyon Report 14 Apr 2016 17:31

is this george's first marriage


George A J Teasdale
mentioned in the record of Teasdale and George A J Teasdale
Name George A J Teasdale
Event Type Marriage
Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year 1915
Registration District Kings Norton
County Worcestershire
Event Place Kings Norton, Worcestershire, England
Spouse Name (available after 1911) Teasdale
Volume 6D
Page 324
Line Number 69

George A J Teasdale probably married one of the following people
Name Christine I Teasdale

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 14 Apr 2016 17:41

Death
Name: Christine I Teasdale
Birth Date: abt 1886
Date of Registration: Dec 1918
Age at Death: 32
Registration district: Camberwell
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 1868

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 14 Apr 2016 17:59

Her maiden name was Gracey:

Marriage:
First name(s) Elizabeth Helen
Last name Gracey
Marriage year 1910
Marriage date 12 Nov 1910
Spouse's first name Cyprian Hilton
Spouse's last name Waller
Place Allahabad
Presidency Bengal
Groom's age 28
Bride's age 27
Groom's father's first name Cyprian Hilton
Groom's father's last name Waller
Bride's father's first name Thomas
Bride's father's last name Gracey
-------------------------------------------------------------

Birth:
First name(s) ELIZABETH HELEN
Last name GRACEY
Birth year 1883
Birth quarter 2
District NEWTON ABBOT
County Devon
Volume 5B Page 140

malyon

malyon Report 14 Apr 2016 17:59

the death for christine teasdale

Deaths Dec 1918 (>99%)
Teasdale Christine I 32 Camberwell 1d 1868

Fiona

Fiona Report 14 Apr 2016 18:06

thank you for your replies--
Malyon--yes that`s George`s first marriage, to Christine Isobel Teasdale (his second cousin, I think) she died in the flu epidemic 1918. and yes, he was ships surgeon 1925-1927.

AustinQ--Elizabeth is on the British medical Register as Elizabeth Teasdale (formerly Waller) she qualified 1927/8. She first got a "licentiate" then M.R.C.V.S.. No I don`t have a copy of her will only the probate.
I hadn`t found the "careless driving" report--can`t be many Dr. Elizabeth H Teasdales can there so I asume that`s her--they were living in Hants at the time.

Thanks AnnCardiff--George has been fairly easy to trace and I have these records.

Argyl Gran--the marriage could possibly have been pre-1927 but as Elizabeth didn`t qualify until then I think it unlikely as women med. students weren`t meant to marry. I did rather assume there was a marriage as they were both doctors and widely travelled so they would have had to produce "marriage lines" for various documents.

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 14 Apr 2016 18:12

Name: Elizabeth Waller
Gender: Female
Age: 42
Birth Year: abt 1884
Birth Country: England
Date of Arrival: 23 Jan 1926
Vessel: Montrose
Port of Arrival: St John, New Brunswick, Canada
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England

She's visiting for about six months to friend Miss May Whittaker, Grace Hospital, Winnipeg/ Closest relative Brother, Lt Col T Gracey, Northcote, Devon

malyon

malyon Report 14 Apr 2016 18:14

this looks like george's birth seems he is george james a teasdale not george arthur j

Births Jun 1889
Teasdale George James A Middlesbro' 9d 577

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 14 Apr 2016 18:25

And this may be the child she had:

First name(s) JAMES
Last name WALLER
Birth year 1911
Birth quarter 3
Mother's last name GRACEY
District WOOLWICH
County London
Volume 1D Page 2276
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Baptised India:

First name(s) James
Last name Waller
Baptism year 1911
Birth year 1911
Place Secunderabad
Presidency Madras
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth Helen
Father's first name(s) Cyprian Hilton
Father's last name Waller
Baptism date 2 Nov 1911
Birth date 06 Sep 1911
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Her husband's death:

First name(s) Cyprian Hilton
Last name Waller
Birth year 1882
Death date 22 Dec 1915
Death year 1915
Age 33
Burial date 23 Dec 1915
Place Secunderabad
Presidency Madras

Fiona

Fiona Report 14 Apr 2016 18:52

AustinQ--what a star, thank you. Please could you tell me how you found her? I thought the only way to do it would be to go back from her marriage to George which is the one I can`t find.
I did wonder if they`d married at sea as they were so fond of travel but I had no luck there either.
George is quite definitely George Arthur James although his name does sometimes appear in different forms which hasn`t helped.
Cyprian Hilton sounds intriguing doesn`t he?
I`ll have to come back to this tomorrow when I`ve digested everything you`ve sent.
thank you all.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 14 Apr 2016 19:05

Son James??

James Waller
in the UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
Name: James Waller
Gender: Male
Age: 3
Birth Date: abt 1911
Departure Date: 21 Nov 1914
Port of Departure: London, England
Destination Port: Bombay, India
Ship Name: Caledonia
Shipping line: P & O S N Co
Official Number: 102390
Master: E R Dowell

Country of intended permanent residence: India

I'm not sure who he's travelling with. Either a widow, Mrs V A Sewell, 74,intending to stay in India, or a spinster, Miss D M Shaw, 23, intending to return to England.

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 14 Apr 2016 19:54

OK, I need to do a bit more digging as this came up on fibis, and wife doesn't match for that 1915 death:

Graves and Monuments:

Surname WALLER
Given Names Cyprian Hilton
Relationship husband
Deceased Occupation N G S Ry
Wife/husband/ parents Elsie Waller
Death Date 19 December 1915
Age 33 yrs
wifes parents and other relations younger son C G Waller Wealdstone Middx
Inscription Cyprian Hilton Waller, of the N.G.S. Railway, husband of Elsie Waller, younger son of C H Waller, Wealdstone, Middx., died 19 December 1915, aged 33 years
click to find all other "Church / Cemetery"s with value "Main Cemetery, Secunderabad" in "Inscriptions Volume 1" Church / Cemetery Main Cemetery, Secunderabad
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And from the Time of India:

Surname Waller
Given name(s) Cyprian Hilton (Jim)
Place Secunderabad
Year 1915
month Dec
day 22
Register Entry On December 22nd at Secunderabad Deccan Cyprian Hilton (Jim) Waller of the Nizam's State Railway dearly loved husband of Elsie Waller aged 33
Edition Year 1916
Edition Date 7 Jan

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 14 Apr 2016 20:37

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi

(above has 1915 Death, also below)

Chris :)

Family links:
Parents:
Cyprian Hilton Waller (____ - 1934)
Alice Elizabeth Waller (____ - 1923)

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 14 Apr 2016 21:02

Elsie could be a diminutive of Elizabeth, and her age at Cyprian's death is OK