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16 Apr 2016 15:17 |
If she was in US until July 1926 as Waller and 1927/8 qualified as Teasdale then that should narrow it down a bit.Maybe!
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Fiona
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16 Apr 2016 12:03 |
thanks Kay??? but not "my" George Arthur. in Burnley.
I`ve now got a lot to go on thanks to all of you helping so I can have yet another go at finding George and Elizabeth`s wedding--it has to be somewhere!
They both had fascinating lives--what a shame no one of their generation on the Teasdale side knew what had become of him after his first wife died.
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AustinQ
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15 Apr 2016 17:56 |
I've never heard Elsie/ Elizabeth crossover, but I'm certain they are correct- she is listed as Elsie at her cousin's wedding in 1898 when she and her sisters were bridesmaids. Therefore, I don't think she was recorded wrongly on her first husband's death- but just recorded by the name her family called her.
EDIT: Googling does bring up some cases of Elsie being a shortened form of Elizabeth.
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ArgyllGran
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15 Apr 2016 17:19 |
Fiona - re "fibis" - just Google it.
Families in British India Society http://www.fibis.org/
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Kay????
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15 Apr 2016 16:49 |
Burnely Express 19th Aug 1950,
Mr Arthur Teasdale gain BSc and intends to study for a doctorate at Burney Municipal College, and is the son of Mrs and the ***late Mr James A Teasdale of 10,Bee St Burnely,****
Edit,,, Burnley Express 17th Nov 1937, Teasdale James Arthur,dearly loved husband of May Teasdale,! aged 32.of 5 Mindhead Ave Burnley,, This must be another Teasdale family but had the same combination of names.? ---------------------------------------------------- . Derbyshire Times 11th Oct 1935, court case,,,,,,,,,,
A report of a court dispute between a Mr Pike and a Dr Arthur Teasdale and his wife ***Beatrice Victoria Teasdale***,,the Dr accused of taking liblities on land owned by Mr Pike,,,,,,,,,,the Doctor bought the farm,,Green House in 1921 and made it over to her..horses and ponies belonging to the Dr ate Mr Pike grass........ :-D.
how many DR Teasdales were there......?.
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Fiona
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15 Apr 2016 15:44 |
I can`t thank you all enough--all this information and so quickly. The A. Teasdale is George--he was always known as Arthur. He came from quite humble beginings and went on to become an eminent doctor--Elizabeth obviously came from a privilidged family-- they both had a fascinating life what a shame that they went off the family radar and none of their generation on the Teasdale side knew what had become of them.
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Fiona
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15 Apr 2016 15:26 |
lots to look at--the only fly being "Elsie"?, never heard of that being a diminutive of Elizabeth but there`s always a first. Or the name was recorded wrongly--and that certainly wouldn`t be a first! Please-what is "fibis"? I`ve been doing this family history stuff for several years but I haven`t come across that term before.
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AustinQ
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15 Apr 2016 11:44 |
This may also be of interest- it is about the same family (written 2004), but Elizabeth's 1st husband listed as James Walter (I think this is Cyprian Waller as he was known as Jim), and second husband A. Teasdale (which I suppose must be George).
http://www.genealogy.com/forum/regional/countries/topics/india/2364/
"Thomas Gracey m Mary Grace Ada Gaye in Simla 1875[ The Gaye might have been spelt Guye? See below]. Children included Thomas Gracey[also Indian Railways and RE] b1877 m Agnes Campbell of Devon [later possibly owners of Northcote Manor Nth Devon], Norah Gracey b1881m Reginald D’Arcy Anderson, Elizabeth Helen Gracey b1883 m (1) James Walker (2) A Teasdale, Lily Gracey m BG Lamard-Vachell 1932. (Source Blackwood MSS, Linenhall Lib, Belfast)"
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AustinQ
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15 Apr 2016 08:56 |
Elizabeth Helen Gracey was the daughter of Thomas and Mary Grace Ada
There are quite a few articles relating to Elizabeth's siblings/ cousins in the papers.
Elizabeth was also known as Elsie- an article in Exeter and Plymouth Gazette - Friday 22 July 1898 describes the wedding of Miss Helen Furnivall- her bridesmaids were her cousins- Mary, Norah, ELSIE and Lily Gracey.
Brother Thomas (b1877) married Agnes Campbell Devon in India 1906
Sister Mary Kathleen (b1879) was tragically killed on the railway in 1902- several papers cover the story and inquest.
Sister Norah (b1881) married Reginald Darcy Anderson in 1907
Youngest sister Lily (b1893) married Benjamin Garnet Lampard-Vachell in 1932. There is a photo of the couple in the Exeter and Plymouth Gazette - Friday 28 October 1932.
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AustinQ
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15 Apr 2016 07:10 |
The article above is regarding the marriage of Lorna Gracey (Possibly the daughter of Elizabeth's brother, Thomas). I suspect that those gifts were actually from Doctors Teasdale and MRS Waller.
Elizabeth's marriage from the Times of India- so The death of Cyprian in 1915 seems to be the correct person:
1910 Grooms Surname Walter First names Cyprian Hilton Brides Surname Gracey First names Elizabeth Helen Place Allahabad Year 1910 month Nov day 12 Register Entry Nov 12th at the Cathedral Allahabad Cyprian Hilton Walter of the Nizam's State Railway Secundorabad to Elizabeth Helen daughter of Colonel Gracey CSI late Royal Engineers Edition Year 1910 Edition Date 29 Nov
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14 Apr 2016 22:51 |
Exeter & Plymouth Gazette 18th Sept 1931.
a large country wedding
wedding of Miss Gracey.daughter of Lt Col Gracey.
wedding present list.
the Doctors Teasdale and Mr Waller (Norfolk) a glass bowl.
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ArgyllGran
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14 Apr 2016 21:21 |
"younger son C G Waller" ??
C G Waller in the UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960 Name: C G Waller Gender: Male Departure Date: 17 Apr 1936 Port of Departure: London, England Destination Port: Aden, Yemen Ship Name: Cathay Shipping line: P and O Steam Navigation Company Official Number: 148843 Master: C B Roche
Travelling 1st class, to Aden, Government employee. Doesn't give his age, unfortunately.
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ArgyllGran
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14 Apr 2016 21:02 |
Elsie could be a diminutive of Elizabeth, and her age at Cyprian's death is OK
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Chris Ho :)
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14 Apr 2016 20:37 |
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi
(above has 1915 Death, also below)
Chris :)
Family links: Parents: Cyprian Hilton Waller (____ - 1934) Alice Elizabeth Waller (____ - 1923)
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AustinQ
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14 Apr 2016 19:54 |
OK, I need to do a bit more digging as this came up on fibis, and wife doesn't match for that 1915 death:
Graves and Monuments:
Surname WALLER Given Names Cyprian Hilton Relationship husband Deceased Occupation N G S Ry Wife/husband/ parents Elsie Waller Death Date 19 December 1915 Age 33 yrs wifes parents and other relations younger son C G Waller Wealdstone Middx Inscription Cyprian Hilton Waller, of the N.G.S. Railway, husband of Elsie Waller, younger son of C H Waller, Wealdstone, Middx., died 19 December 1915, aged 33 years click to find all other "Church / Cemetery"s with value "Main Cemetery, Secunderabad" in "Inscriptions Volume 1" Church / Cemetery Main Cemetery, Secunderabad -----------------------------------------------
And from the Time of India:
Surname Waller Given name(s) Cyprian Hilton (Jim) Place Secunderabad Year 1915 month Dec day 22 Register Entry On December 22nd at Secunderabad Deccan Cyprian Hilton (Jim) Waller of the Nizam's State Railway dearly loved husband of Elsie Waller aged 33 Edition Year 1916 Edition Date 7 Jan
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ArgyllGran
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14 Apr 2016 19:05 |
Son James??
James Waller in the UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960 Name: James Waller Gender: Male Age: 3 Birth Date: abt 1911 Departure Date: 21 Nov 1914 Port of Departure: London, England Destination Port: Bombay, India Ship Name: Caledonia Shipping line: P & O S N Co Official Number: 102390 Master: E R Dowell
Country of intended permanent residence: India
I'm not sure who he's travelling with. Either a widow, Mrs V A Sewell, 74,intending to stay in India, or a spinster, Miss D M Shaw, 23, intending to return to England.
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Fiona
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14 Apr 2016 18:52 |
AustinQ--what a star, thank you. Please could you tell me how you found her? I thought the only way to do it would be to go back from her marriage to George which is the one I can`t find. I did wonder if they`d married at sea as they were so fond of travel but I had no luck there either. George is quite definitely George Arthur James although his name does sometimes appear in different forms which hasn`t helped. Cyprian Hilton sounds intriguing doesn`t he? I`ll have to come back to this tomorrow when I`ve digested everything you`ve sent. thank you all.
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AustinQ
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14 Apr 2016 18:25 |
And this may be the child she had:
First name(s) JAMES Last name WALLER Birth year 1911 Birth quarter 3 Mother's last name GRACEY District WOOLWICH County London Volume 1D Page 2276 ------------------------------------------
Baptised India:
First name(s) James Last name Waller Baptism year 1911 Birth year 1911 Place Secunderabad Presidency Madras Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth Helen Father's first name(s) Cyprian Hilton Father's last name Waller Baptism date 2 Nov 1911 Birth date 06 Sep 1911 -----------------------------------------------
Her husband's death:
First name(s) Cyprian Hilton Last name Waller Birth year 1882 Death date 22 Dec 1915 Death year 1915 Age 33 Burial date 23 Dec 1915 Place Secunderabad Presidency Madras
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malyon
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14 Apr 2016 18:14 |
this looks like george's birth seems he is george james a teasdale not george arthur j
Births Jun 1889 Teasdale George James A Middlesbro' 9d 577
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AustinQ
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14 Apr 2016 18:12 |
Name: Elizabeth Waller Gender: Female Age: 42 Birth Year: abt 1884 Birth Country: England Date of Arrival: 23 Jan 1926 Vessel: Montrose Port of Arrival: St John, New Brunswick, Canada Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
She's visiting for about six months to friend Miss May Whittaker, Grace Hospital, Winnipeg/ Closest relative Brother, Lt Col T Gracey, Northcote, Devon
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