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Good find, Choccy!
So the O in Alfretta's name isn't the initial of a middle name, it's part of O'Handley.

It looks as if Gertrude and Henry Handley are a couple of red herrings.


You were asking about the other person on the 1911 census, Olive Jean.

He's Ambrose Yoemans (as transcribed on Ancestry, and it does look like that on the image), a mineral water carter.
It's a mis-spelling of Yeomans. He's probably not any relation - just a boarder.

He's also boarding with the Dorringtons in 1901:

Ambrose Yeomans
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Ambrose Yeomans
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Hollaway, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Eastwood
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: Basford
Sub-registration district: Greasley
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3144
Folio: 144
Page Number: 51
Household schedule number: 307
Household Members:
Name Age
John W Dorrington 31
Ann Dorrington 28
Ada S Dorrington 4
Harry Dorrington 7
James Dorrington 24
Ambrose Yeomans 23
Ernest Truman 23



Here he is in 1881:

Ambrose Yeoman
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Ambrose Yeoman
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Relationship to Head: Son in Law (probably means grandson)
Gender: Male
Where born: Holloway, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Holloway
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Street address: Common
Registration district: Belper
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3420
Folio: 88
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Marsh 74
Jacob Yeoman 41 - son-in-law
Hanh. Yeoman 41 - daughter
Fred Yeoman 8 - son-in-law (grandson?)
Albert Yeoman 5 - ditto
Ambrose Yeoman 3 - ditto

Hi
So could the Mother and Father of Alfretta M O Handley born 1906 South Africa be
Stephen and Elizabeth O,Handley
If so who did she enter England with to be entered on 1911 Census

Thankyou for Ambrose Yeomans info
Thankyou
Olive

Hi
I have printed off the Birth of Alfretta M O,Handley
Olive

Yes, the parents of Alfretta in England in 1911 are Stephen & Elizabeth.

I don't see their marriage - it may have been in South Africa.
Can't see Stephen travelling to or from SA at any time.

Don't know Elizabeth's maiden name to search for her before marriage.
Can't see her travelling as O'handley.

My guess would be that Alfretta travelled with Sarah Charles, as we know Sarah was in SA in 1906 - but I can't see any travel record for Sarah either.

I can't see Ann Cooper Hill definitively before her marriage to Joseph Dorrington.
(Wondered if she had a sister Elizabeth Ann.)

It occurs to me that Sarah Charles had a daughter Elizabeth Ann, born 1881.

I wonder if Sarah was Alfretta's grandmother?

HI
Thankyou for all your info
Olive

Hi again
I just wondered if on the. Birth and Marriage of Ann Cooper Hill
Born 1872. Derbyshire
Marriage 1889 Derbyshire

It would tell you the Mother and Father

Thankyou
Olive

To find those details you would need to purchase the Certificates from below, £9.25 each.

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

Chris :)

(below looks to tie in, as said on my posting earlier)


1881 (Find My Past)
Peter Hill Head Married Male 44 1837 Coal Miner Tibshelf, Derbyshire, England
Sarah Hill Wife Married Female 47 1834 Coal Miner Wife Somercotes, Derbyshire, England
Annie Hill Daughter Single Female 8 1873 Scholar Birchwood, Derbyshire, England
Sam Hill Son Single Male 7 1874 Scholar Birchwood, Derbyshire, England
Eliza Hill Daughter Single Female 4 1877 Scholar Birchwood, Derbyshire, England
Sarah Andrews Mother In Law Widow Female 77 1804 Annuitant Gotham,Nottinghamshire, England
Street Birchwood Lane
Parish Alfreton
County Derbyshire
Registration district Belper
Archive reference RG11
Piece number 3416
Folio 124
Page 38


1871 (Find My Past)
Sarah Cooper Head - Female (Widow) 37 1834 - Derbyshire, England
Elizabeth Cooper Daughter - Female 12 1859 - Derbyshire, England
Sarah Cooper Daughter - Female 10 1861 - Derbyshire, England
John Cooper Son - Male 8 1863 - Derbyshire, England
John Cooper Father-In-Law - Male 78 1793 - Derbyshire, England
Street Birchwood, Lower South Side
Parish Alfreton
County Derbyshire
Registration district Belper
Archive reference RG10
Piece number 3591
Folio 39
Page 23


1861 (Find My Past)
John Cooper Head Married Male 33 1828 Labourer Somercotes, Derbyshire, England
Sarah Cooper Wife Married Female 25 1836 - Somercotes, Derbyshire, England
Elizabeth Cooper Daughter Unmarried Female 3 1858 - Somercotes, Derbyshire, England
Sarah Cooper Daughter - Female 1 1860 - Somercotes, Derbyshire, England
William Horseybrush Lodger Unmarried Male 47 1814 Brick Maker Selston, Nottinghamshire, England
Hamlet Somercotes
Ecclesiastical district Riddings
Registration district Belper
Enumeration district 5
Archive reference RG09
Piece number 2515
Folio number 25
Page number 3


(and from Newspaper article posted, here is Sister Elizabeth, George also occ. Miner)


Marriages Jun 1873 (>99%)
------------------------------------------------
Cooper Elizabeth Belper 7b 975
Ellis George Belper 7b 975

Hi
Just to say Thankyou for all your info
Yes we will have to send for the birth and marriage of Ann Cooper Hill born 1872/3
The info for Alfretta M O Handley is really interesting
My Son in Law needs to find out more re the Fammily !!
I wonder if you would look for Census s for Joseph William Darrington born 1870 Alferton Derbyshire Please
As the Local library is closed until June for repair
Thankyou
Olive

Hi
Just to say Thankyou for all your info
Yes we will have to send for the birth and marriage of Ann Cooper Hill born 1872/3
The info for Alfretta M O Handley is really interesting
My Son in Law needs to find out more re the Fammily !!
I wonder if you would look for Census s for Joseph William Darrington born 1870 Alferton Derbyshire Please
As the Local library is closed until June for repair
Thankyou
Olive

ArgyllGran was correct - Elizabeth was born surname Charles:

From SA National Archives

DESCRIPTION O'HANDLEY, ELIZABETH ANN. BORN CHARLES.
STARTING 19330000
ENDING 19330000
REMARKS PREDECEASED SPOUSE STEPHEN O'HANDLEY.

http://www.national.archsrch.gov.za/sm300cv/smws/sm300dl

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Birchwood Lane, Alfreton, Belper, Derbyshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Darrington Head - Male 69 1802 - Derbyshire, England
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Ann Darrington Wife - Female 65 1806 - Derbyshire, England
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Lidia Leivers Daughter - Female 28 1843 - Derbyshire, England
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Pheby Darrington Granddaughter - Female 9 1862 - Derbyshire, England
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Ralph Darrington Son Lodger - Male 24 1847 - Derbyshire, England
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Sarah Darrington Wife - Female 2 1869 - Derbyshire, England
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Joseph Wm Darrington Son - Male 2 1869 - Derbyshire, England

Hi
I hope I have this right
So Elizabeth Charles born 1880 Derbyshire was
John Charles and Sarah Charles nee Cooper daughter

That's why Sarah Charles and Alfretta MO Handley are on the Darringtons 1911 Census
So Ann Cooper (Hill ) Darrington are related

I wonder when Eliabeth went to South Africa
I have tried the Webb Site for the S A National Archives to maybe find the Marriage but no luck
Thankyou so much the jigsaw goes on !!
Olive

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Penny Farm, Birchwood Lane, Alfreton, Belper, Derbyshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Ralph Carrington Head Married Male 34 1847 Coal Miner Somercotes, Derbyshire, England
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Sarah Carrington Wife Married Female 33 1848 - Wessington, Derbyshire, England
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Joseph Williamson Carrington Son Single Male 12 1869 Scholar -
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Albert Carrington Son Single Male 7 1874 Scholar -
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Ann Elizabeth Carrington Daughter Single Female 5 1876 Scholar -
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James Carrington Son Single Male 3 1878 Scholar -
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Eliza Carrington Daughter Single Female 0 1881 - -
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Joseph Wilkinson Lodger Single Male 23 1858 Coal Miner Shirland, Derbyshire, England

Hi
How can I find the marriage of Elizabeth Charles. And Stephen O Handley on the South Africa National Archives please
Olive
Thankyou all agian

I don't see the marriage either- perhaps Elizabeth was previously/ already married? She may have taken on Stephen's surname?

I don't understand these South African records from http://www.ancestor.co.za/search_beta.asp but I'm presuming they are death dates?

Perhaps someone else can help?

JOHN MORGAN CHARLES Spouse: SARAH COOPER 1905
SARAH CHARLES maiden name:COOPER spouse JOHN MORGAN 1920
ELIZABETH ANN O'HANDLEY maiden name: CHARLES spouse: STEPHEN 1933
STEPHEN O'HANDLEY spouse:SUBSEQUENTLY ELIZABETH ANN 1931

Hi
I havnt a clue eitherLike you say they could be Deaths
Of her husband John Morgan Charles 1905
And her daughter and husband 1931 and 1933
Maybe someone will help us
Olive

BIRTHS 3 April 1909
MORGAN - On February 27, at Kimberley, to Mr. and Mrs. John Morgan, of Jeppestown, Johannesburg, a daughter.

(no idea if above relates!)

http://www.eggsa.org/

(The Genealogical Society of South Africa) (Newspapers)

(another often useful below)

http://www.national.archsrch.gov.za/sm300cv/smws/sm300dl

(National Archives of South Africa. Database)

Chris :)

Hi Chris
I have tried to haves go on the South Africa Webb sites but no luck
Also I have reply maybe deaths of Sarah Charles nee Cooper
Also maybe her Daughter and Son in law ???

Olive

1939 Register (Find My Past)

Mickleone County Hospital , Repton R.D., Derbyshire,
Ann C Darrington Patient ? ? 1872 Female None Widowed

Deaths Sep 1927 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------
Darrington Joseph W 56 Basford 7b 148


Deaths Mar 1940 (>99%)
-------------------------------------------------------
Darrington Ann C 67 Shardlow 7b 1246

Chris :)

(not sure what you mean by 'have a reply' regarding Death of Sarah Charles)