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Hi
I wonder if you would help me please
Alfretta M d Handley born 1907 South Africa Visiter
Is entered on the Darringtons Family 1911 Census

Joseph William Darrington born 1870 Alfreton Derbyshire
Ann Cooper Darrington born 1873 Alfreton Derbyshire
Ada Sarah Darrington born 1890 Alfreton Derbyshire
William Henry Darrington born 1894 Alfreton Derbyshire

Station Road Langley Mill the Census isnt very clear

Would it be possilbe to find out when Alfretta M D Handley entered England and who with please
Thankyou
Olive

Her middle initial is O, not D.

Ancestry's transcription says she was born South Africa, France! It's actually South Africa, Transvaal.

I wonder if this family is related - on an earlier visit??

Master Handley
in the UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
Name: Master Handley
Birth Date: abt 1905
Age: 1
Port of Departure: Durban, South Africa
Arrival Date: 20 Apr 1906
Port of Arrival: Southampton, England
Ports of Voyage: Durban
Ship Name: Galeka
Shipping line: Union Steamship Company
Official Number: 110265

Master Handley was born in Transvaal.
His parents are Henry and Gertrude Handley, aged 31 and 26.
Henry's a farmer.


Over the years, there are quite a few comings and goings of various Handleys between South Africa and UK.
No further sightings of Alfretta, though, unfortunately.

As a fairly wild guess, I would suggest she was called Alfretta after the town of Alfreton, where the Darringtons lived, so she was probably a relative.

Do you know anything else about Alfretta, Olive Jean, or is she a mystery person who has just popped up in your tree?

Thank you for your reply
So luck how Alfretta Handley entered UK

You talk about the Handleys coming and goings over the years What were they up too
Was any one related to Darrington or Rudkin Families please
Sorry to ask you all these questions but I am not a member of Ancesrty
The local Library is closed for the time being
Olive

Hi
You beet me to i
Ada Sarah Darrington married Alfred Rudkin
Thier Daughter was called Dorothy Alfretta Rudkin born 1914
Olive

Can't see any likely Darrington/Handley, Hill/Handley, or Rudkin/Handley marriages in England.

Maybe one of them went to South Africa and married there?

I have no idea if the Handleys coming and going to/from S Africa are related to you or to each other or not.

Have to go out, so can't spend more time on it at the moment.

Hi
I wonder if master Handley is on the 1911 Census
Where were his Father and Mother born any idea
Talk to you again soon
Olive

Hi
The Families are related to my Son in Law but he hasn't any clues about them
Olive

"Alfretta" was not a common name but feel sure is was not after the town 'Alfreton'

There are several births with that name and they are not born/lived in Alfreton

Sarah M Charles Visitor Widow Female - 49 1862 Alfreton Derbyshire (3 children born, 3 living)

(who is the other Visitor with them 1911, any connection?)...

Chris :)

Hi
I have just been looking through the replies you have given me
This is just a thought
Alfretta M O Handley born 1907 South Africa Transvaal

Master Handley born 1905 South Africa Transvaal

I wonder if there is a conection or the spell is wrong ??

Bye for now and Thankyou
Olive

Hi
I have just been looking through the replies you have given me
This is just a thought
Alfretta M O Handley born 1907 South Africa Transvaal

Master Handley born 1905 South Africa Transvaal

I wonder if there is a conection or the spell is wrong ??

Bye for now and Thankyou
Olive

If you mean that "Master" might be a mistranscription of Alfretta - no , it isn't.
He's definitely a male child.

[I don't know why I wrote that Henry was a farmer - no, he isn't - he's an engineer.]


I don't see Gertude and Henry Handley in 1911, nor anyone who could be their son.

Thank you
I just wondered if they were related
As I am unable to open the In Coming Passengers on Ancestry
Olive

Hi
Sorry but I just can not make out the other persons name as the 1911 Census isn't clear
??Boarder 34 Single Matlock
Olive

Looks like Sarah Charles in 1891:


Sarah Charles
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Sarah Charles
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Somercotes, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Alfreton
Ecclesiastical parish: Riddings
Town: Birchwood
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Registration district: Belper
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2748
Folio: 113
Page Number: 20
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah Charles 31 - married
Richard Charles 11
Elizabeth Charles 10



and 1881:

Sarah Charles
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Sarah Charles
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Relationship to Head: Wife
Spouse: John Charles
Gender: Female
Where born: Somercotes, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Pinxton
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Street address: Birchwood Lane
Marital Status: Married
Registration district: Mansfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3314
Folio: 103
Page Number: 47
Household Members:
Name Age
John Charles 27 - Palleg, Brecknock, Wales
Sarah Charles 20
Richard Charles 1
Elizth.A. Charles


Probably her marriage:

Marriages Sep 1877 (>99%)
Charles John Belper 7b 804
Cooper Sarah Belper 7b 804

(did wonder about the Cooper bit, seeing below?)

Marriages Sep 1889 (>99%)
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Darrington Joseph William Belper 7b 823
Hill Ann Cooper Belper 7b 823


Births Jun 1872 (>99%)
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COOPER Ann Hill Belper 7b 509

Derbyshire Registrars Birth Index Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) ANN HILL
Last name COOPER
Birth year 1872
Place ALFRETON
Reference AB/27/097
Register office Amber Valley (Ripley)
Subdistrict Alfreton
County Derbyshire

(there is another also 1872, Chapel En Le Frith, her Death 1872)


(there is below, Sarah Cooper (Widow) who has a Sarah Cooper with her 1871, and an Annie Hill 1881, both Census Alfreton)


Marriages Dec 1872 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------
Cooper Sarah Belper 7b 1088
HILL Peter Belper 7b 1088

edits

22 September 1877 - Derbyshire Times and Chesterfield Herald - Chesterfield

Marriage
Charles - Cooper - Sept. 17th, at Birchwood Chapel, by the Registrar, Mr. John Charles, miner, to Sarah, daughter the late Mr. John Cooper, both of Birchwood

(her Mother Sarah Cooper is with John, 1861 Alfreton)


(and Sister Elizabeth below)


28 June 1873 - Derbyshire Times and Chesterfield Herald - Chesterfield

Marriage
Ellis—Cooper—June 24, at Birchwood Chapel, by the Registrar, Mr. George Ellis, miner, to Elizabeth, daughter of Mr. John Cooper, both of Birchwood.


(sorts out who Sarah is on 1911 then!)

http://tinyurl.com/j865sp2


Alfretta Morgan

South Africa, Church of the Province of South Africa, Parish Registers

Name Alfretta Morgan
Event Type Baptism
Event Date 25 Nov 1906
Event Place St Mary the Less, Jeppestown, Johannesburg, Transvaal, South Africa
Parent Name Stephen O'Handley
Parent 2 Name Elizabeth Ann O'Handley
Page 23
Entry Number 111

Sarah Charles has popped up again - she was one of the sponsors at the above baptism along with John Murray and Julia Amelia Richard.

Dea x