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https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/75665946/charles-henry-gibbons

[No photo of Charles's stone ]

Charles Henry Gibbons
Birth 1815
Kings Sutton, South Northamptonshire Borough, Northamptonshire, England
Death 10 Mar 1896 (aged 80–81)
Kings Sutton, South Northamptonshire Borough, Northamptonshire, England
Burial
Ss Peter and Paul Churchyard
Kings Sutton, South Northamptonshire Borough, Northamptonshire, England
Memorial ID 75665946 ·

Tailor by trade.
Family Members

Parents
Thomas Gibbons [There's a photo of this stone ]
1785–1843

Eleanor Owen Gibbons
1785–1875

Spouse
Ann Sumners Gibbons
1815–1883 (m. 1834)

Children

Thomas Gibbons [there's a photo of his stone ]
1844–1896

Charles Edward Gibbons [ there's a photo of his stone ]
1853–1939

And the wonderful thing is that they never were GIBBON without the 'S'. They were always GIBBONS, and cousins too.
There goes another family myth!
:-D

Had another look at this one o/b of cousin. The death announcement in the paper led me to wonder whether poor John's father might have had some standing to be able to place the notice.
John's father Charles was a tailor [and his father before him, too] and in the 1891 census he is "Living on His own Means" with a Housekeeper. In 1896, he left £4,500 - not bad going for a tailor. He is buried in Kings Sutton and so we're hoping that his headstone may reveal more details ………….
We like tramping around cemeteries and graveyards ……………….. :-D :-D

I've come back to this thread because cousin and I will be visiting her above great grandparents' graves in London at the end of this month. We know that he is in a pauper's grave but hoping for a gravestone for her, so digits crossed.

Will report back.

Thanx to all of you who helped on this one.
:-)

Well, she was 'hiding' in Kensal Green Cemetery. Over the years, her first names have morphed from Eliza Emily to Emily Eliza with Emmeline Eliza in the 1911 census.

So, I'll close this thread again.

:-) :-)

I Emily Eliza's DC now: died on 25th July 1912 @ 128a Lancaster Road, London aged 69.

I've looked at Deceased Online for her burial [that's where I found her husband in Brompton Cemetery] but nothing comes up.

Please can you see her burial, presumably in London?

Big thanx.
:-)

So glad that you have found him

Yes, JG is in a Common Grave with five others in the Brompton Cemetery. No headstone; probably due to lack of funds.
Here endeth the GIBBONS thread - for now!
Many thanks to all who helped on this one.
:-D :-D

PS #2:
We've located that burial as deffo our man.
Cousin [who is his great grand daughter and lives in London] and I will be visiting him next month to pay respects.
It's possible that he's in a multiple grave due to lack of funds by his poor widow left with three young daughters - we shall see.
I will report back with the final result.

A little PS:
Looking at Rootgatherer's post of 12th Feb where she wonders whether John and Eliza are possible cousins?
Well, the family rumour [and we all know about family 'rumours'!!] is that they WERE in fact cousins. But the colourful version of that family rumour was that their respective surnames were GIBBON without the 's' and when they joined together they added the 's' to show that they were now a double act.
But, no - not quite.

OOh, thank you! Will investigate.
:-D

(one below, credits needed to view)

https://www.deceasedonline.com/

Chris :)

Burial Register summary
last name GIBBONS
first names JOHN
Burial date 26 August 1882
Authority Brompton Cemetery
Location Brompton Cemetery (Kensington and Chelsea)


Edits

31 August 1882 - Banbury Advertiser - Banbury, Oxfordshire, England

Death
Gibbons - August 20. at St Thomas's Hospital, London, (from the effects of brougham accident), John, the second son of Mr Charles Gibbons, of Altrop Mills, King's Sutton, aged 40 years.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brougham_(carriage)

A brougham (pronounced "broom" or "brohm") was a light, four-wheeled horse-drawn carriage built in the 19th century.

Can some kind soul guide me please on John Gibbons' possible PLACE OF BURIAL?

He died at St.Thomas' Hospital and his address at the time was 142a Fulham Road, all London.

Thank you.

Mine was only a lowly Ag Lab, who'd moved to the industrial north for more money (???)

Strangely, they put him in a barrow, took him into the station, the station master then took the last train back into the town and called for a doctor. The doctor's assistant went to look at my gt grandfather and ordered him taken to the hospital in town. So, he was put on or in an engine and taken back to town to be transferred to the hospital ............... but he died before the train engine got back to town.

His body then stayed at the closest station to where he died until the next day when it was transferred to a station on the other side of the one where he'd died ........ so he retraced the journey. Two coroners said it now wasn't in their jurisdiction.

He fell out of the train on Saturday night, and the inquest wasn't held until Thursday

Luckily, his nephew was travelling with him, so he was identified quickly.

Sylvia, you made me laugh! In fact, one of my ancestors had an equally gory end to yours and also at the hands of the railways. See my post -PLEASE: National Archives look up. Although my original heading was 'Gruesome ....' but a GR advised me to change it.

My ancestor went under the wheels of an almost stationary train as it was coming into Kings X. He was in too much of a hurry to secure a horsedrawn cab, opened the train carriage door and slipped and fell. The inquest decided that a contributory cause of his death was "his age and corpulence". Ooooh dear! It also mentioned that in those days there were no steps leading from the carriage to the platform and this was an added safety hazard. He lived long enough for them to get him to hospital on a cart and to tell them his name; he was a Barrister.

Then there was a hooha because they couldn't locate his Will but eventually it was found. He is buried under a rather grand and 'over the top' monument with some other family members.

How I love family history with all its twists and turns.

at least the coroner's report was not as gory as the one that was found for me regarding my gt grandfather who fell out a train carriage onto the rails below in 1877.

The newspaper report filled 2 very long columns, with full description of his injuries ...... and ended with the Coroner saying that he believed the family would have a case to sue the train company for not ensuring that the carriage door on the track side was securely locked.

His widow and children didn't have the money to do that.


but the article did prove wrong my inherited family story that gt grandfather had saved a little girl from falling out of a carriage somewhere on the Lancashire/Yorkshire Moors, but had fallen out himself.

er no ............. it was at a train station in Oldham, and he was trying to see if the train had reached the station (it had stopped just outside)

I've pm'd RR to thank her personally.

Well, bang goes the 'Royal' connection. As my cousin said after I told her "Oh dear, so he was a drunk driver". She has a great sense of humour!!

Now, I wonder how we go about finding his burial? Any thoughts, please??

that's a very interesting article!

RR, you are such a loyal GR friend. I can't believe that you got on to this so fast for me!
That is an amazing result. Can't wait for the PM.
:-D

Nicola from FMP

FATAL CARRIAGE ACCIDENT.
Thomas’s Hospital, London, into the circumstances attending the death of John Gibbons, .aged years, lately residing 1 12a, Kulhara-road, Middlesex, who was killed falling from a brougham. William James, 419, V division, deposed that was on duty in the Queen’s-ro

will try and attach it to PM