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Well that's always possible. My grandmother was brought up in a convent after her father died (her mother couldn't cope with all her children supposedly). It wasn't until she tried to claim her old age pension that she realised she had been celebrating her birthday on the wrong date and worse still she was a couple of years older than she thought. She found this out when she applied for a copy of her birth certificate.

Shirley, who were the witnesses to her marriage please?

yes root gatherer found that too one thing gussy always said what she didnt want to get to 100 she got to 99 started thinking did she make up her birth date cos of being in workhouse

Sarah Ann Fielder
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894
Age: 23
Spouse: Walter John Wickens
Spouse Age: 25
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 8 Apr 1917
Parish: St Alban, Fulham
Borough: Hammersmith and Fulham
Father Name: George Whiting Bowlting
Spouse Father: Arthur Wickens
Register Type: Parish Register

Find my past version of the marriage Chis (the version I posted was from Ancestry)

s) GEORGE
Last name BOWLTING
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1882
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ GEORGE BOWLTING married one of these people
MARGARET ROBERTS, CHARLOTTE HONEY
District KENSINGTON
District number -
County London
Country England
Volume 1A
Page 78
Record set England & Wales marriages 1837-2008
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain
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I saw they were together on the ERs Mary. I was wondering if they could have been Augusta's parents but I'm blowed if I can find the family on any census. They had a daughter Sarah Ann born about 1894.

Bowlting - Honey marriage looks to be wrong as they are together in 1921.

Maryb.

Not seeing that Marriage on London, Ancestry rg, to have a check of details.

Chris :)

Has this marriage been ruled out (wondering if maybe her father was George rather than John?)

George Bowlting
Registration Year: 1882
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Kensington
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1a
Page: 78


Records on Page:
Name
George Bowlting
James Galway
Charlotte Honey
Margaret Roberts

George and Charlotte are on the ER together in Hammersmith. On a marriage certificate for a daughter, George's occupation is given as a Labourer

This looks like the marriage for that couple in the 1891 census.

John Bolton
Registration Year: 1889
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 349


Records on Page:
Name
John Bolton
Edward Dixon
Frances Jane Soulsby
Charlotte Thompson



John Bolton (father Unknown)
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Age: 23
Spouse: Charlotte Thompson
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 8 Sep 1889
Parish: St Mary, Newington
Borough: Southwark
Spouse Father: Henry Thompson
Register Type: Parish Register

No, I couldn't see one either ArgyllGran.


Gut feeling at the moment is that Augusta was illegitimate and her birth is registered under a different surname.

Having another look at that tree on Ancestry (which has a photo said to be of Augusta) - the tree owner says the family is the one I posted census records for yesterday at 17:55.

But trees are frequently inaccurate - if I've got the right family in 1891 (yesterday, 17:55), - and I have, as per John's occupation - they can't be Augusta's family.

There's no sign of a marriage for Charlotte Honey to John Bolton.

As Augusta was under 21 when she married, she would have needed permission from her parent or guardian. Who were the witnesses please?

As you don't have a birth certificate, I assume you know here mother's name by word of mouth. Has anyone found Augusta on the 1891 or 1901 census please?

Do you know if she had any siblings? Have you found Charlotte Honey's marriage?

Perhaps Augusta was a middle name and she just dropped her first name.

It's also worth remembering that sometimes people were admitted to the workhouse for medical reasons as the also doubled as hospitals or infirmaries for those who couldn't afford treatment otherwise.

Shirley .........

people did (and maybe still do) give wrong names for their father on wedding certificates ..........

it may be because their real father died or left home when they were very young, and they may have been brought up to believe someone else is their father

some illegitimate children made up names for their fathers because it "looks better ............ they may put down a relation's name (eg, grandfather, uncle) or some well-known person in their town/village.

In other words, you can't take a father's name, occupation or even whether he is deceased or not as "true" from a wedding certificate.

charlotte honey is her maiden name rootgatherer

gran, augusta has john down as her father on wedding certificate cannot get birth certificate cannot find a birth record

this is the same family in 1881

Name Veronica Bolton
Event Type Census
Event Date 1881
Event Place St Pancras, London,Middlesex, England
Registration District Pancras
Residence Note Chalton St
Gender Female
Age 0
Marital Status (Original) Single
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Birth Year (Estimated) 1881
Birthplace London St Pancras, London, Middlesex, England
Page Number 8
Registration Number RG11
Piece/Folio 198/36
Affiliate Record Type Household
HOUSEHOLD

ROLE

GENDER

AGE

BIRTHPLACE

Horace Bolton Head M 31 Islington, Middlesex, England
Mary Bolton Wife F 28 London East End, London, Middlesex, England
Lydia Bolton Daughter F 7 London St Pancras, London, Middlesex, England
Mary Bolton Daughter F 4 London St Pancras, London, Middlesex, England
Agnes Bolton Daughter F 2 London St Pancras, London, Middlesex, England
Veronica Bolton Daughter F 4 M London St Pancras, London, Middlesex, England

AG's 1901 from FMP - occupation says "None" on original too

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
41, Camden Park Road, St Pancras, London, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Bolton Head Widower Male 56 1845 None London, England Transcription

Living alone in 1901 - no Augusta:

John Borton (Bolton, mistranscribed)
in the 1901 England Census
Name: John Borton
Age: 56
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Chelsea, London, England
Civil Parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: St Pancras
Sub-registration district: Camden Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 149
Folio: 125
Page Number: 36
Household schedule number: 279
Household Members:
Name Age
John Borton 56 - widower - can't read occupation.

John in 1911, with a grandson named Augustine - relevant/coincidence??


John Bolton
in the 1911 England Census
Name: John Bolton
Age in 1911: 66
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: CHELSEA, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: St Pancras
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 109 Torriano Avenue NW
Marital Status: Widowed
Occupation: TRAVELLER WHISKY
Registration district: St Pancras
Registration District Number: 9
Sub-registration district: North St Pancras
ED, institution, or vessel: 29
Piece: 774
Household Members:
Name Age
John Bolton 66
Augustine Bolton 16

Horace with a brother John, as suggested by Malyon??

Horace Bolton
in the 1851 England Census
Name: Horace Bolton
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Son
Father's name: John Bolton
Mother's name: Maria Bolton
Gender: Male
Where born: St Pancras, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: St Pancras
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
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County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: Pancras
Sub-registration district: Grays Inn Lane
ED, institution, or vessel: 02
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 183
Piece: 1495
Folio: 69
Page Number: 36
Household Members:
Name Age
John Bolton 35
Maria Bolton 25
John Bolton 6 - born Chelsea
Kate Bolton 4
Horace Bolton 2

Horace is a widower by 1901:


Horatio Bolton

in the 1901 England Census
Name: Horatio Bolton
[Horace Bolton]
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: St Pancras, London, England
Civil Parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity Haverstock Hill
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: St Pancras
Sub-registration district: Regent's Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 135
Folio: 66
Page Number: 55
Household schedule number: 400
Household Members:
Name Age
Horatio Bolton 50
Josephine Bolton 22 (Agnes J in 1891)
Veronica Bolton 20



Lydia's death:

Deaths Dec 1895 (>99%)
Bolton Lydia 42 Pancras 1b 94

Investigating Malyon's suggestion:

Constance Augusta is with her parents at the time of the 1891 census:

Horace Bolton
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Horace Bolton
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Lydia Bolton
Gender: Male
Where born: Islington, London, England
Civil Parish: Tottenham
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
egistration district: Edmonton
ED, institution, or vessel: 20b
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1073
Folio: 110
Page Number: 25
Household Members:
Name Age
Horace Bolton 41
Lydia Bolton 38
Agnes J Bolton 12
Veronica M Bolton 10
Norah F Bolton 2
Constance A Bolton 1