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Many thanks Rambling Rose and JoonieCloonie for your remarkable efforts. Lots to look at there. I'm working my way through Stoke on Trent adoption service in pursuit of dad's adoption records.

Tim

Sydney Smith Bowden in the England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name:Sydney Smith Bowden
Registration Year:1898
Registration Quarter:Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district:West Derby
Inferred County:Lancashire
Volume:8b
Page:495



Marriages Sep 1922 (>99%)
BOWDEN Sydney S Devey Cardiff 11a 925
Devey Nessie M L Bowden Cardiff 11a 925




Sydney Bowden in the Web: UK, WWII Medals Issued to Merchant Seamen, 1939-1945
Name:Sydney Bowden
Birth Date:24 Aug 1898 <<<<<<
Service:1939-1945
Medal Issued/Claimed:1946-2002
Discharge Number:R98122
URL:http://discovery.nationalarchi...

Sydney Smith Bowden in the Web: UK, Campaign Medals Awarded to WWI Merchant Seamen, 1914-1925
Name:Sydney Smith Bowden
Birth Date:1898
Birth Place:Seaforth
Year Issued:1914-1925
URL:http://discovery.nationalarchi...

Good finds re Nessie!

This looks to be a significant date perhaps?

Sydney Bowden
in the UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960

Name: Sydney Bowden
Birth Date: abt 1898
Age: 33
Port of Departure: Brisbane, Australia
Arrival Date: 11 Dec 1931
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: Sydney
Ship Name: Moldavia
Search Ship Database: Search for the Moldavia in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: Peninsula and Orient Steam Navigation Company Ltd
Official Number: 145973

yes good ones AustinQ and PricklyHolly!

Nessie's death in Australia

26577/1966
BOWDEN NESSIE MAY L
father ALBERT EDWARD
mother ELIZA JANE
district ST LEONARDS

Marriages Sep 1886
DEVEY Albert Edward Potterspury 3b 63
HOLTON Eliza Jane Potterspury 3b 63

Tim

If you want help with Hythe area, if you would like to send me a PM (personal message) by clicking on my name and sending a direct reply, I will do my best to help.
I travelled along Seabrook Road this afternoon and know that Folkestone library hold old electoral lists for this area.

An address and timeframe and any other details which may useful will help.

Gwyn

PM received.
Will visit Folkestone library as soon as possible.

Good luck Gwyn!

Prickles. .o))

Visited Folkestone library yesterday and looked in ERs, Pickfords and Kellys directories but found no mention of Marion's family.

I checked surname lists and although I found a Chas. HART in Folkestone at one point, he turned out to have a different middle name and spouse.

In the 1926 books( one for spring, one for autumn ) there is a family with surname HOLLAND at the birthplace.
A person W.HOLLAND was listed there in 1924 and 1925 and by 1929 some of their children are listed too.
ie. Doris Hettie
Evelyn Rose
Gladys Ada
(relationships not shown, but linked through checking 1911 census.)

This would seem to be the marriage of the parents in that household.

Marriages Sep 1894
Holland William Giles ...W. Ham 4a 142
Tyrrell Lizzie Maria ...W. Ham 4a 142

In 1930 copy of Kellys (and 1931)
a Miss Evelyn R.HOLLAND (nurse) is shown at that address.

I wonder if she is the link as to why the birth took place there?

Just looked in Search all Members trees and someone called Gillian seems to have the 3 HOLLAND daughters in her tree.

Maybe she can help investigations.

what a mystery Gwyn!

but it's excellent to know who was at the address when Derek was born

it is certainly worth enquiring of the member with the sisters in her tree


Hollands in 1911 census

William Giles Holland 52 born Oxfordshire, house painter
Lizzie Marie Holland 42 born Bermondsey
Sydney W J Holland 15
Gladys Ada Holland 13
Evelyn Rose Holland 12
Doris Hettie Holland 11

it doesn't look likely there was any family connection



the Bowden-Hart child born 1935 appears to have a tree at this site with himself in it (or someone with the same name has) (and someone has the child born 1936)

I wonder whether this might be the most direct route to finding out about Marion

Hi all. Dead computer now alive after new hard drive and a system re-build, and so I'm online again.

PricklyHolly: I noticed that the page numbers for the marriage entries for Charles Edward Hart (p286) and Olga Louisa E Burdett (p296) are out by ten pages. Is this significant? One would have thought the two would be on the same page. Having said that there are five entries on Edward's page and three on Olga's so one could imagine an incorrect entry in the original index. The scanned pages confirm the discrepancy.

Tim

The entry for Charles Edward Hart should read page 296- the original is quite difficult to read but has been transcribed wrongly.

Timothy you can submit a correction for that mistranscription, just take a look at the image and as your reason for the correction, state 'scanned GRO image'.

You can also add postems to any entries at freebmd that are relevant, giving a little info, and if you include your email address (always best to use an anonymous permanent online account like at gmail) anyone who searches for the same people will be able to contact you

Searching through electoral rolls I found this:

Marion Ada Hart
in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: Marion Ada Hart
Year: 1928
County or Borough: Westminster
Ward or Division/Constituency: Paddington and Poplar

Street address: Hospital

Not sure what to make of the hospital address.

Tim

Information about the hospital here.......

http://www.british-history.ac.uk/survey-london/vols43-4/pp147-153

Thanks Prickly Holly. It's likely that she worked there and lived in the staff residences. She may have become a nurse but her occupation is given on my dad's birth certificate is shorthand typist.

On your Dad's birth certificate was Seabrook Road given as his mother's address as well as his birthplace?
Did she register his birth and was it soon after the birth?

Hi Gwyn. Yes, Seabrook Road is where Dad was born and given as his mother's address.

He was born on 26th May 1926 but registered on 17th June that year.

His mother registered the birth.

At the end of the certificate, adjacent to the 'Name entered after registration' box, the text: "Adopted" Edward F. Webb Superintendent Registrar, is appended.

Many thanks to all of you for your help. I have, with the information you all helped to obtain, made happy contact with my dad's birth family. Moreover, it seems they have been searching for Dad for many years. Just sad that he's not here to witness it himself but at least the blanks in the past have now been filled.

Thanks again,
Tim

Good to hear you have made contact Tim :-D