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I have found another possible wedding in Bridgend . waiting for a certificate .

At last.Found the wedding with the Brides father Francis . Can now rule that one out as it is the wrong one . So stlll trying to find the right one
Glamorgan Marriages


First Name ELIZABETH
Last Name THOMAS
Collections from Great Britain
Country Wales
Category Births, Marriages & Deaths
Record collection Marriages & divorces
Record set Glamorgan Marriages
County Glamorganshire
Year 1853
Bride First Elizabeth
Bride Last Name Thomas
Bride Father First Name Francis
Bride Father Last Name Thomas
Groom Father First Name Robert
Groom Father Last Name Batcock
Groom First Name Francis Hancorn
Groom Last Name Batcock
Birth Year
Banns Day
Parish Swansea, St James
Place SWANSEA, ST JAMES
Banns Month
Banns Year
Bride Age Full
Day Of Marriage 5
Groom Age Full
Month Of Marriage Sep
Year Of Marriage 1853
Bride Parish
Groom Parish
Page 108

The birth for Walter in 1913 is correct . I have been told by the family he was one of twins and his twin died at birth . Also contacted the cemetery and found the plot of baby Elizabeth. will put a little flower container there now .

No it's only if you delete the first post that the whole thread will disappear

Jude

I can see two of my posts have posted twice . IF I delete the duplicates will other posts in the thread go too ?

You have latched onto Elizabeth Thomas of llanridian. There are at least five or six other possibilities. The only way you will ever be able to be sure is to get one of the children's birth certificates. Given the common names, it might take a few punts before you find the right one.

There is also the possibility that they didn't actually marry.

Jude

I could be wrong . But there are so many weddings with John Thomas and Elizabeth ???? I can't match any of the other names to Swansea . and Bridgend didn't find any there that matched . Will have to try again to check the biths of the children

I think I'll have to bow out of this query as I can't get my head around any hard proof that Elizabeth's maiden name was Thomas.

Glamorgan Marriage Index pre-1837


First Name MARGARET
Last Name BEVAN
Collections from Great Britain
Country Wales
Category Births, Marriages & Deaths
Record collection Marriages & divorces
Record set Glamorgan Marriage Index pre-1837
County Glamorganshire
Year 1827
Month Apr
Bride First MARGARET
Bride Last Name BEVAN
Groom First Name FRANCIS
Groom Last Name THOMAS
Birth Year
Place LLANRHIDIAN
Notes after banns, Witnesses named
Year 1827
Bride Parish LLANRHIDIAN
Groom Parish LLANRHIDIAN
Day 10


Transcriptions © Glamorgan Family History Society

Think this might be the wedding of Elizabeth and John's parents . It mentions Banns so would it be a church wedding . I tried parish records but can't find it .
Problem is a lot of Swansea was destroyed in WW2 so I don't know if the records survived .

I don't see how Bridgend History could come up with anything so certain without having sight of the certificate.

You need to work back from a child of Elizabeth and John and see what her maiden name was

Jude

Re the question How do I know Elizabeth's maiden name was Thomas . I an not certain but it does keep coming up in the searches when I put in John Thomas . The person from Bridgend history told me there was a marriage between John Thomas and Elizabeth Thomas in Swansea in 1852 . Also AnnCardiff has found one in Swansea on the first page of this thread . but I haven't found that one . Still looking for one with the brides father Francis Thomas to check that one .
EDIT Marie Christine has ruled out the 1852 AnnCardiff marriage

Hi Sylvia It is confusing. not just the surnames most familys had the same first names too . you had grandmother Mother and daughter all with the same name.and often their siblings would be named after a brother or sister of the parent .
Another thing in my family is marriages between cousins was common which explains the same surnames . It is allowed here . I know some countries don't approve of it .

TBH .................

I am confused entirely with your family


I hate doing the Welsh side of OH's family, too many people with the same surnames :-)

You are confused with Walter . He was Walter THOMAS His mothers Maiden name was Richards . She died 9th December 1921 age 41 Parturition 1 month Cerebral Embolism .No PM

Hi Sylvia . Elizabeth's maiden name was Richards but she married John Thomas in 1898 they had 7 children before the loss of the baby Elizabeth . and one after that in1921. No family connections with Merthyr as far as I know . :-S

you say there was a Walter born possibly 1913 and Anne in 1921


I found these births on freebmd

Births Sep 1913 (>99%)
THOMAS Walter Richards Bridgend 11a 1889


NO Walter with mother maiden name Thomas born 1912-1914


Two births for an Ann* born in 1921 with mmn Thomas, not one with mmn Richards

Births Sep 1921 (>99%)

Thomas Ann Thomas Neath 11a 2157
Thomas Annie Thomas Bridgen 11a 1979


There is a Meurig A Thomas with mmn Richards. Is Meurig a male or female name?

Births Sep 1921 (>99%)

THOMAS Meurig A Richards Swansea 11a 2306


When exactly did John's wife die from parturition fever, which is indeed due to childbirth, and which she had apparently suffered from for 1 month?

The month in which she died will indicate the month that month that she had her last child ................ parturition fever usually develops within a few days of birth.

A cerebral embolism is not necessarily connected with childbirth, although it might be ............... it just means a clot of blood has reached the brain and blocked blood flow. My mother died of a Cerebral embolism, but at the age of 58

Bridgend appears to be the registration District that includes Maesteg ...................

there are 2 deaths in March quarter of an Elizabeth Thomas age 0 (ie, under 1 year), this therefore seems the most likely ...............


Deaths Mar 1916 (>99%)

Thomas Elizabeth A 0 Bridgend 11a 926



Then comes confusion

There are no births of an Elizabeth A registered in Dec 1915 on freembd ..... not surprising as the birth was late in the onth.

There are two Elizabeth A Thomas registered in March quarter 1916 ................

Births Mar 1916 (>99%)

Thomas Elizabeth A Richards Bridgend 11a 1618
Thomas Elizabeth A Thomas Merthyr T. 11a 1486


The first is registered in the correct area, but the mother's maiden name is shown as Richards

The second has mother's maiden name Thomas but is registered in a different area.



You might have to buy BOTH those birth certificates to see which is which, or even, if either belongs to your family.

The death took place on 9 Jan 1916, Elizabeth was aged 3 weeks

and therefore was born about 3 weeks earlier, or around the 18th December 1915, give or take a couple of days.

If you look on link posted, Date of Death 9/1/1916...

Then you need to check for Birth and Death on below, you know the area to look for more than me!.

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Chris :)

(sorry MC, I'm butting in your conversation, confusion reigns enough!, lol)


edits (Newspaper item relating below)

http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3886406/3886414/118/

I know that's the couple you're looking for but it still doesn't explain where you got Elizabeth's maiden name from.