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I am looking for a wedding in Swansea between John Thomas and Elizabeth Thomas I have found Banns on find my past for Wenvoe (which is vale of Glamorgan )
I enquired from Bridgend local history and was told that they were the grooms Banns, the bride was from Swansea and the wedding was there . so I would have to apply there for the records .
I contacted Swansea registry office ,but they have replied that they have done a five year search and cannot find a record of the wedding there .
The Groom was originally from Devon . I have traced his family on the census . There was a wedding in Wenvoe in1852 but the Brides fathers name is different .
to the census.
. Edited this : I originally said that the Grooms fathers name was different it was the Brides father I thought was wrong .

from freebmd

possible??????????


Marriages Sep 1852 (>99%)
RANDELL Thomas John Swansea 11a 632
REES Mary Swansea 11a 632
THOMAS Elizabeth Swansea 11a 632
THOMAS John Swansea 11a 632

just for reference

Name John Thomas
Event Type Marriage Banns
Event Date 15 Aug 1852
Event Place Wenvoe, Glamorganshire, Wales
Spouse's Name Elizabeth Thomas

John Thomas

England and Wales Census, 1871

Name John Thomas
Event Type Census
Event Date 1871
Event Place Swansea, Swansea, Glamorganshire, Wales
Enumeration District 19f
Gender Male
Age 37
Marital Status Married
Occupation Labourer
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Birth Year (Estimated) 1834
Birthplace England
Entry Number 5
Affiliate Image Identifier GBC/1871/5454/0173


John Thomas Head M 37 England
Elizabeth Thomas Wife F 44 Swansea, Glamorganshire
David Peterson Son M 17 Swansea, Glamorganshire
Paul Peterson Son M 15 Swansea, Glamorganshire
Hanah Peterson Daughter F 12 Swansea, Glamorganshire

?????????? probably Clovelly



John Thomas

England and Wales Census, 1871

Name John Thomas
Event Type Census
Event Date 1871
Event Place Swansea, Glamorganshire, Wales
Enumeration District 7f
Gender Male
Age 36
Marital Status Married
Occupation Porter
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Birth Year (Estimated) 1835
Birthplace Rovelly
Entry Number 8
Affiliate Image Identifier GBC/1871/5451/0118


John Thomas Head M 36 Rovelly
Elizabeth Thomas Wife F 36 Llangennith
Thomas Thomas Son M 12 Swansea, Glamorganshire
William Thomas Son M 9 Swansea, Glamorganshire
John Thomas Son M 5 Swansea, Glamorganshire
George Francis Thomas Son M 2 Swansea, Glamorganshire

John Thomas

England and Wales Marriage Registration Index

Name John Thomas
Event Type Marriage
Registration Quarter Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration Year 1852
Registration District Swansea
County Glamorganshire
Event Place Swansea, Glamorganshire, Wales
Volume 11A
Page 632
Line Number 21

John Thomas probably married one of the following people

Name Elizabeth Thomas

Thanks I'll check on these . there is a difference in john Thomas age on the different census The later census has a 20 year age gap between him and his wife but the earlier census gives different ages

the 1881 census gives his age as 80 and hers as 50. 1871 gives ages of 67 and 39 1861 40 and 30 ???

The 11A 632 seems most likely . but they are all the same number

Yes, two couples per record shown on Freebmd at that time

11a 632 is the page number in the Index book at GRO


I think the two couples are

RANDELL Thomas John Swansea
REES Mary Swansea

and

THOMAS Elizabeth Swansea 11a 632
THOMAS John Swansea 11a 632


but you could prove it by looking in the 1861 and 1871 censuses to see if Thomas Randell has a wife called Mary


I can't do it for you as I have to go out.

Re: the Swansea marriage just above - the Glamorgan marriages on FindMyPast show that Thomas John Randell and Elizabeth Thomas married on 19 Sep 1852 at St James', Swansea so you can rule that one out.

You mention in the opening post "There was a wedding in Wenvoe in1852 but the grooms fathers name is different to the census."

What were you expecting the father's name to be? I must admit, I can't decipher the groom's father's name from that Wenvoe record, here's a snip from it:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/keepsafe/asset/details/18534151

Just so we know we're on the right track, is this the correct family?

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
131, Nolton Street, Lower Coyty, Bridgend, Glamorganshire, Wales
Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Thomas Head Married Male 80 1801 Farm Labourer Tavistock, Devon
Elizabeth Thomas Wife Married Female 50 1831 - Swansea, Glamorgan
Margaret Thomas Daughter Single Female 22 1859 Domestic Servant Bridgend, Glamorgan
Anne Thomas Daughter Single Female 16 1865 Domestic Servant Bridgend, Glamorgan
Elizabeth Thomas Daughter Single Female 14 1867 Domestic Servant Bridgend, Glamorgan
Catherine Thomas Daughter Single Female 9 1872 Scholar Bridgend, Glamorgan, Wales
John Huxtable Grand Son Single Male 2 1879 - Cowbridge, Glamorgan
William H Huxtable Grand Son Single Male 0 1881 - Bridgend, Glamorgan
Jane Smith Visitor Widow Female 64 1817 - Highworth, Wiltshire

Tracking that same John Thomas backwards - he seems to have been married to a Rachel on the 1851 census. Possible death for Rachel in 1852.

Do you have any info from that marriage?

is this it?


First name(s) JOHN
Last name THOMAS
Birth year -
Marriage year 1852
Marriage day 18
Marriage month Sep
Marriage place WENVOE
Spouse's first name(s) ELIZABETH
Spouse's last name THOMAS
Groom's age Full
Groom's father's first name(s) Gronow
Groom's father's last name Thomas
Bride's age Full
Bride's father's first name(s) Rees
Bride's father's last name Thomas
County Glamorganshire
Country Wales
Record set Glamorgan Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain

EDIT: Sorry, this is probably the marriage with the wrong father's name you referred to in the op.

you have the right family . the brides father should be Francis .if I have the right census for 1851 when she was still single. That is the wedding I found I Wenvoe as you said .

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

Welcome To Town Llanrhidian, Llanrhidian Lower, Swansea, Glamorganshire, Wale


Francis Thomas Head Married Male 48 1803 Farmer & Inn Keeper Llanrhidian, Glamorgan, Wales
Transcription

Margaret Thomas Wife Married Female 47 1804 - Haverfordwest, Pembrokeshire, Wales
Transcription

Richard Thomas Son Unmarried Male 24 1827 General Servant Llanrhidian, Glamorgan, Wales
Transcription

Margaret Evans Daughter Widow Female 22 1829 - Llanrhidian, Glamorgan, Wales
Transcription

Elizabeth Thomas Daughter Unmarried Female 20 1831 Dress Maker Llanrhidian, Glamorgan, Wales
Transcription

Rees Thomas Son Unmarried Male 18 1833 Ag Labourer Llanrhidian, Glamorgan, Wales
Transcription

Eliza Thomas Daughter Unmarried Female 15 1836 Scholar Llanrhidian, Glamorgan, Wales
Transcription

Catherine Thomas Daughter - Female 13 1838 Scholar Llanrhidian, Glamorgan, Wales
Transcription

Mary Thomas Daughter - Female 9 1842 Scholar Llanrhidian, Glamorgan, Wales
Transcription

Francis L Thomas Son - Male 7 1844 Scholar Llanrhidian, Glamorgan, Wales
Transcription

William Evans Grand Son - Male 2 1849 - Llanrhidian, Glamorgan, Wales
Transcription






Census details



First name(s)
Elizabeth

Last name
Thomas

Relationship
Daughter

Marital status
Unmarried

Gender
Female

Age
20

Birth year
1831

Occupation
Dress Maker

Birth place
Wales

Birth town
Llanrhidian

Birth town as transcribed
Llanrhidian

Birth county
Glamorgan

Birth county as transcribed
Glamorganshire

House name
Welcome To Town Llanrhidian

Street
-

Town
-

Parish
Llanrhidian Lower

City
-

County
Glamorganshire

Hamlet
Llanrhidian

Parliamentary borough
-

Municipal ward
-

Registration district
Swansea

I don't have any info on a first marriage but it is possible due to his age.Would he have remarried in the same year as losing his first wife ?
The age is the problem . As there is a difference of 10 years on the 1881 and1861 census I cannot be certain of tracing the right the birth and death,

I don't have any info on a first marriage but it is possible due to his age.Would he have remarried in the same year as losing his first wife ?
The age is the problem . As there is a difference of 10 years on the 1881 and1861 census I cannot be certain of tracing the right the birth and death,

Sorry, can I just clarify? You said it was the GROOM'S father's name that was different. Also, how do you know Elizabeth's maiden name - is it from one of the children's birth certificates? How do you know the year of marriage?

On some census Elizabeth is shown with birthplace Pembroke.

I've seen people remarry with what some may consider indecent haste but it may have been a case of necessity, especially as the 1851 showed John and Rachel had a daughter.

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1317805?d=asc

(had a bell dinging here!, could be more)

Chris :)


http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

(possible Gronow name relating, on above)