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Goldsmith Douglas Park Alsop 1898

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Mark

Mark Report 8 Aug 2015 13:09

I have done all the usual searches on ancestry but this gentleman seems to be knowhere. Father George Tilly Alsop and mother is Annie.

Thanks

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 8 Aug 2015 13:15

He is on the 1911 census

George Allsopp Head 1863 48 Male Married Comcl Traveller sheffield Cuttery Wymeswold, Leicestershire 36 Woodville Rd, Kings Heath, Bham
Annie Allsopp Wife 1875 36 Female Married 5 Birmingham, Worcestershire 36 Woodville Rd, Kings Heath, Bham
George Edward Allsopp Son 1897 14 Male Birmingham, Worcestershire 36 Woodville Rd, Kings Heath, Bham
Goldsmith Douglas Park Allsopp Son 1898 13 Male Hammersmith, London, England 36 Woodville Rd, Kings Heath, Bham
Goldsmith Rowland Allsopp Son 1901 10 Male Ipswich, Suffolk 36 Woodville Rd, Kings Heath, Bham
Goldsmith May Allsopp Daughter 1902 9 Female Birmingham, Warwickshire 36 Woodville Rd, Kings Heath, Bham
Phillip Walter Allsopp Son 1907 4 Male Birmingham, Warwickshire

Mark

Mark Report 8 Aug 2015 13:17

Thank you

greyghost

greyghost Report 8 Aug 2015 13:32

And this I believe is him in 1901

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

First name(s) George
Last name Allsopp
Relationship Boarder
Marital status Widower
Gender Male
Age 36
Birth year 1865
Occupation Commercial Traveller
Birth town -
Birth town as transcribed LOUGH
Birth county Leicestershire
Birth county as transcribed LEICESTERSHIRE
Birth place England
Birth place other as transcribed -
Other household member first name(s) -
Other household member last name -
Street Chapel Street
Town -
Parish Penzance
City -
Country England
County Cornwall
Municipal ward East
Registration district Penzance
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 2254
Folio 30
Page 13

The birth town - Lough is I expect short for Loughborough, about 5 miles from Wymeswold where he says he is from on the 1911.

Looks as though his (first?) wife has died and he is remarried by 1911

malyon

malyon Report 8 Aug 2015 13:32

England and Wales Census, 1871
Name George Tilley Allsopp
Event Type Census
Event Date 1871
Event Place Geddington, Geddington, Northamptonshire, England
Enumeration District 7
Gender Male
Age 6
Occupation Scholar
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Birth Year (Estimated) 1865
Birthplace Stanion, Northamptonshire
Entry Number 12
Affiliate Image Identifier GBC/1871/1506/0212

Mike *

Mike * Report 8 Aug 2015 13:33

They surely didn't call 3 children Goldsmith ??

greyghost

greyghost Report 8 Aug 2015 13:36

Possible for his marriage to Annie (!911 says 5 years above), looking at the place of birth for the last 2 children on the 1911.

Probably explains why some children have Goldsmith in their names if George 's first wife was still alive at the time or Annie Goldsmith wasn't free to marry.

England & Wales marriages 1837-2008 Transcription

First name(s) GEORGE
Last name ALLSOPP
Marriage quarter 4
Marriage year 1905
MarriageFinderâ„¢ GEORGE ALLSOPP married one of these people
ELIZABETH MARGARET BURNSIDE, ANNIE GOLDSMITH
District KINGS NORTON
District number -
County Worcestershire
Country England
Volume 6C
Page 895

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 8 Aug 2015 13:39

On the image of the 1911 the three Goldsmith children do NOT have Allsop anywhere in their names. It's a transcription error.

George has written all of the names with surname first. The transcriber was obviously an idiot.

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 8 Aug 2015 13:40

I believe on the 1911 census the surname of those 3 children is Goldsmith, presumably hers from a previous marriage. George & Annie had only been married 5 years, the last child would be theirs and the first one presumably his from previous marriage.

Mark

Mark Report 8 Aug 2015 13:40

Thank you for your help. Half day at library with it being a Saturday, Much appreciated for your help. Back Monday

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 8 Aug 2015 13:45

Annie & family in 1901:

Annie Goldsmith

in the 1901 England Census
Record Image View

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Name: Annie Goldsmith
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1876
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Spouse: Oliver Goldsmith
Birth Place: Birmingham
Civil Parish: St Matthew
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Registration district: Ipswich
Sub-registration district: Ipswich Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 09
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1774
Folio: 17
Page Number: 25
Household schedule number: 180
Household Members:
Name Age
Oliver Goldsmith 30
Annie Goldsmith 25
Douglas R Goldsmith 3
Rowland P Goldsmith 10/12
Sarah Tacon 16

Mike *

Mike * Report 8 Aug 2015 13:46

So his surname was Goldsmith not Allsop

Births Sep 1897
Goldsmith Douglas Park - Fulham 1a 258

greyghost

greyghost Report 8 Aug 2015 13:48

1911 from FMP

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
36 Woodville Road Kings Heath B'Ham, Kings Norton, Worcestershire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
George Allsopp Head Married Male Rome Traveller Sheffield Cutlery 48 1863 Wymeswold Leicesterh
Annie Allsopp Wife Married Female - 36 1875 Birmingham Warsh
George Edward Allsopp Son - Male - 14 1897 Birmingham Warsh
Douglas Park Goldsmith Son - Male - 13 1898 London
Rowland Goldsmith Son - Male - 10 1901 Ipswich Sufk
May Goldsmith Daughter - Female - 9 1902 Birmingham Worh
Phillip Walter Allsopp Son - Male - 4 1907 Birmingham Worh

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 8 Aug 2015 13:48

His death

Name: Douglas Park Goldsmith
Birth Date: 8 Aug 1897
Date of Registration: Dec 1972
Age at Death: 75
Registration district: Coventry
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 9c
Page: 1916

Mike *

Mike * Report 8 Aug 2015 13:50

Name: Roland Park Goldsmith
Birth: Jul 1900 - Ipswich, Suffolk



Name: Roland Park Goldsmith
Birth: 23 May 1900
Death: May 1990 - Bromsgrove, Worcestershire, England

greyghost

greyghost Report 8 Aug 2015 13:52

George Edward with his aunt in 1901 whilst Dad travelling

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Clay Street, Wymeswold, Wymeswould, Loughborough, Leicestershire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Mary Allsopp Head Single Female 27 1874 Stocking Seamer Wymeswold, Leicestershire, England
George Allsopp Nephew - Male 4 1897 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Clara Allsopp Visitor - Female 12 1889 - Nottinghamshire, England

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 8 Aug 2015 13:54

The marriage?

Marriages Jun 1897 (>99%)
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Goldsmith Oliver Fulham 1a 646
PARK Annie Fulham 1a 646

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 8 Aug 2015 14:03

Rowland P Goldsmith in the 1901 England Census
Name:Rowland P Goldsmith
Age:10/12
Estimated birth year:abt 1900
Relation to Head:Son
Gender:Male
Father:Oliver Goldsmith
Mother:Annie Goldsmith
Birth Place:Ipswich, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish:St Matthew
Ecclesiastical parish:St Matthew
County/Island:Suffolk
Country:England
Registration district:Ipswich
Sub-registration district:Ipswich Western

Household Members:

Oliver Goldsmith 30 (Tailors Cutter) Hendon Middlesex
Annie Goldsmith 25 Birmingham
Douglas R Goldsmith 3 ....(Douglas "P" on the image) Born London
Rowland P Goldsmith 10/12
Sarah Tacon 16 (Servant)

greyghost

greyghost Report 8 Aug 2015 14:06

England & Wales births 1837-2006 Transcription

First name(s) GEORGE EDWARD
Last name ALLSOPP
Birth year 1896 Birth quarter 4
District BIRMINGHAM County Warwickshire
Volume 6D
Page 179

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Possible for George Allsopps first marriage given that Sparkbrook is an inner-city area in south-east Birmingham and George Edward was born Birmingham.

But not seeing a death pre 1901 when George says he is a widower.

England Marriages 1538-1973 Transcription
Print transcription Attach to tree
First name(s) George
Last name Allsop
Name note -
Age 23
Marriage year 1893
Marriage date 06 Aug 1893
Marriage place Christ Church, Sparkbrook, Warwick, England
Father's first name(s) William
Father's last name Allsop
Mother's first name(s) -
Mother's last name -
Spouse's first name(s) Grace Letitia
Spouse's last name Brown
Spouse's birth year 1868
Spouse's birth date 1868
Spouse's father's first name(s) George
Spouse's father's last name Brown
Residence Sparkbrook, Warwick, England
Place Sparkbrook
County Warwickshire

EDIT _ Probably not given George's father's name on 1871 census - see further down

greyghost

greyghost Report 8 Aug 2015 14:14

Looks like George Allsopp in 1881 and 1871

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Anderton PL, 1, Summer Hill Street, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Norton Head Married Male 37 1844 Sewing Machine Maker Shropshire, England
Eliza Norton Wife Married Female 34 1847 Button Maker City of London, Middlesex, England
George Allsopp Nephew Single Male 18 1863 Merchants Clerk Wymeswold, Leicestershire,

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1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
London, Little, St Mary, Loughborough, Leicestershire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Elijah Allsop Head - Male 39 1832 - Nottinghamshire, England
Ellen Allsop Wife - Female 31 1840 - Nottinghamshire, England
George Allsop Son - Male 8 1863 - Leicestershire, England <<<<<<<<Wymeswold
Walter Allsop Son - Male 6 1865 - Leicestershire, England
Clara Allsop Daughter - Female 4 1867 - Leicestershire, England
William Allsop Son - Male 2 1869 - Leicestershire, England
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