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Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18,042 Send Message	MarieCeleste	Report	10 Aug 2015 15:54
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18,042 Send Message	Mark, if it's definitely George Tilley Allsop that you're following then the Goldsmith Allsops are no connection. George Tilley Allsop was the son of Charles Allsopp and CAROLINE Tilley (all details posted above).
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 17,958 Send Message	Chris Ho :)	Report	10 Aug 2015 15:37
	Burial County Northamptonshire Place Geddington Church St Mary Magdalene RegisterNumber 78 BurialDate 22 May 1915 Forename Caroline Surname ALLSOPP Age 70 Abode Geddington Burial County Northamptonshire Place Geddington Church St Mary Magdalene RegisterNumber 225 BurialDate 02 Feb 1926 Forename Charles Surname ALLSOPP Age 82 Abode Geddington (above from below, if relating anywhere!) http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl Chris :) Deaths Mar 1926 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------- ALLSOPP Charles 82 Kettering 3b 177
Member Since: December 2006 Posts: 4,031 Send Message	Mark	Report	10 Aug 2015 14:34
	George Tilly Alaop 1865 in my tree is the son of Charles H Alsop 1842 and Charlotte Tilley. Charles is the son of Charles Alsop and Ann Franklin. Maria Alsop 1848 is my 3x great grandmother who is the daughter of Charles Alsop and Ann Franklin.
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 23,482 Send Message	MargaretM	Report	8 Aug 2015 16:24
	So, Mark, is George Tilly Alsop your ancestor? If so there is no relaionship to Douglas Park Goldsmith who you have called Goldsmith Douglas Park Alsop.
	Researching: Great grandmother Dorothy Bean nee Abbott (1858-1908)
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18,042 Send Message	MarieCeleste	Report	8 Aug 2015 15:46
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18,042 Send Message	Ah, but is it the "wrong" George?! It depends which Allsopp line Mark is following ........
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	greyghost	Report	8 Aug 2015 15:39
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	Just had a look at that tree Margee - George's birthplace wanders between Northants and Leicestershire depending what year the census was and how the name fitted, he obviously hopped around the country - another good Ancestry tree ?? Baptism of the wrong George Name: George Tilley Birth Date: Abt 1865 Baptism Date: 23 Apr 1865 Age: 0 Parish: Stanion, Northamptonshire, England Mother: Caroline Tilley Parish as it Appears: Stanion Register Type: Parish Registers
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 23,482 Send Message	MargaretM	Report	8 Aug 2015 15:15
	A tree on Ancestry has Goldsmith W. P. Alsop 1898, son of George Tilly Alsop & Harriet Annie Allsopp. It quotes 1911 census, Kings Norton, Worcestershire where he's aged 13. This is the same census that we have where we have proved that his last name was Goldsmith.
	Researching: Great grandmother Dorothy Bean nee Abbott (1858-1908)
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18,042 Send Message	MarieCeleste	Report	8 Aug 2015 15:01
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18,042 Send Message	The 1881 for George Tilley "Allsopp" 1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 9, No, Stanion, Kettering, Northamptonshire, England Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place James Tilley Head Married Male 62 1819 Ag Laborer Stanion, Northamptonshire, England Charlotte Tilley Wife Married Female 59 1822 - Northamptonshire, England John Tilley Son Single Male 25 1856 Ag Lab Stanion, Northamptonshire, England William Tilley Son Single Male 20 1861 Groom Stanion, Northamptonshire, England George Tilley Grand Son Single Male 16 1865 Ag Laborer Stanion, Northamptonshire Mary Ann Tilley Grand Daughter Single Female 5 1876 - Kettering, Northamptonshire
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	greyghost	Report	8 Aug 2015 14:59
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	a better possibility for George's first marriage - ROSE. Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Jun 1895 (>99%) Allsopp George Birmingham 6d 163 Armstrong James Charles Birmingham 6d 163 Baker Rose Birmingham 6d 163 Baller Rose Birmingham 6d 163 Caswell William Birmingham 6d 163 Williams Matilda Birmingham 6d 163 Son George Edward was born Q4 (posted earlier) 1896 Birmingham and there is this death the same Quarter Deaths Dec 1896 (>99%) Allsopp Rose 26 Birmingham 6d 114
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18,042 Send Message	MarieCeleste	Report	8 Aug 2015 14:57
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18,042 Send Message	1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription The Main Street, St Peter, Kettering, Northamptonshire, England Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place James Tilley Head - Male 52 1819 - Northamptonshire, England Charlotte Tilley Wife - Female 49 1822 - Northamptonshire, England Transcription Jem Tilley Son - Male 18 1853 - Northamptonshire, England Mary A Tilley Daughter - Female 13 1858 - Northamptonshire, England John Tilley Son - Male 15 1856 - Northamptonshire, England William Tilley Son - Male 11 1860 - Northamptonshire, England Sarah Tilley Daughter - Female 7 1864 - Northamptonshire, England George Tilley Son - Male 5 1866 - Northamptonshire, England << Stanion ADDED: And also recorded with his parents 1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Queen Street, Geddington, Kettering, Northamptonshire, England Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Charles Allsopp Head - Male 28 1843 - Northamptonshire, England Caroline Allsopp Wife - Female 26 1845 - Northamptonshire, England George Tilley Allsopp Son - Male 6 1865 - Northamptonshire, England Hannah Allsopp Daughter - Female 2 1869 - Northamptonshire, England Charles William Allsopp Son - Male 1 1870 - Northamptonshire, England
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18,042 Send Message	MarieCeleste	Report	8 Aug 2015 14:54
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18,042 Send Message	From what I can gather by digging around, George Tilley "Allsopp" was actually born George Tilley in 1864 before the marriage in 1866 of his parents George Allsopp and Caroline Tilley. He's recorded with his parents in 1871, but also appears to be recorded with his maternal grandparents James and Charlotte (although recorded as their son). He is also with James and Charlotte in 1881 when he's correctly recorded as grandson.
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	greyghost	Report	8 Aug 2015 14:32
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	Also - OP has Father as George Tilley Alsop - the George we have been following was born in Wymeswold, Leicestershire, but George Tilley Allsopp was born in Stanion, Northamptonshire according to the 1871 posted by Malyon earlier, so why does Mark think he is the Father?
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 23,482 Send Message	MargaretM	Report	8 Aug 2015 14:15
	One wonders how Mark worked back to this person, thinking his surname was Alsop?
	Researching: Great grandmother Dorothy Bean nee Abbott (1858-1908)
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	greyghost	Report	8 Aug 2015 14:14
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	Looks like George Allsopp in 1881 and 1871 1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Anderton PL, 1, Summer Hill Street, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Thomas Norton Head Married Male 37 1844 Sewing Machine Maker Shropshire, England Eliza Norton Wife Married Female 34 1847 Button Maker City of London, Middlesex, England George Allsopp Nephew Single Male 18 1863 Merchants Clerk Wymeswold, Leicestershire, --------- 1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription London, Little, St Mary, Loughborough, Leicestershire, England First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Elijah Allsop Head - Male 39 1832 - Nottinghamshire, England Ellen Allsop Wife - Female 31 1840 - Nottinghamshire, England George Allsop Son - Male 8 1863 - Leicestershire, England <<<<<<<<Wymeswold Walter Allsop Son - Male 6 1865 - Leicestershire, England Clara Allsop Daughter - Female 4 1867 - Leicestershire, England William Allsop Son - Male 2 1869 - Leicestershire, England -------------------------------------------------------
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	greyghost	Report	8 Aug 2015 14:06
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	England & Wales births 1837-2006 Transcription First name(s) GEORGE EDWARD Last name ALLSOPP Birth year 1896 Birth quarter 4 District BIRMINGHAM County Warwickshire Volume 6D Page 179 ------------------------------------------ Possible for George Allsopps first marriage given that Sparkbrook is an inner-city area in south-east Birmingham and George Edward was born Birmingham. But not seeing a death pre 1901 when George says he is a widower. England Marriages 1538-1973 Transcription Print transcription Attach to tree First name(s) George Last name Allsop Name note - Age 23 Marriage year 1893 Marriage date 06 Aug 1893 Marriage place Christ Church, Sparkbrook, Warwick, England Father's first name(s) William Father's last name Allsop Mother's first name(s) - Mother's last name - Spouse's first name(s) Grace Letitia Spouse's last name Brown Spouse's birth year 1868 Spouse's birth date 1868 Spouse's father's first name(s) George Spouse's father's last name Brown Residence Sparkbrook, Warwick, England Place Sparkbrook County Warwickshire EDIT _ Probably not given George's father's name on 1871 census - see further down
Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31,288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	8 Aug 2015 14:03
	Rowland P Goldsmith in the 1901 England Census Name:Rowland P Goldsmith Age:10/12 Estimated birth year:abt 1900 Relation to Head:Son Gender:Male Father:Oliver Goldsmith Mother:Annie Goldsmith Birth Place:Ipswich, Suffolk, England Civil Parish:St Matthew Ecclesiastical parish:St Matthew County/Island:Suffolk Country:England Registration district:Ipswich Sub-registration district:Ipswich Western Household Members: Oliver Goldsmith 30 (Tailors Cutter) Hendon Middlesex Annie Goldsmith 25 Birmingham Douglas R Goldsmith 3 ....(Douglas "P" on the image) Born London Rowland P Goldsmith 10/12 Sarah Tacon 16 (Servant)
	Researching: "If I don't see you through the week.........I will see you through the window". :o))
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 23,482 Send Message	MargaretM	Report	8 Aug 2015 13:54
	The marriage? Marriages Jun 1897 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Goldsmith Oliver Fulham 1a 646 PARK Annie Fulham 1a 646
	Researching: Great grandmother Dorothy Bean nee Abbott (1858-1908)
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	greyghost	Report	8 Aug 2015 13:52
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	George Edward with his aunt in 1901 whilst Dad travelling 1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Clay Street, Wymeswold, Wymeswould, Loughborough, Leicestershire, England First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Mary Allsopp Head Single Female 27 1874 Stocking Seamer Wymeswold, Leicestershire, England George Allsopp Nephew - Male 4 1897 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Clara Allsopp Visitor - Female 12 1889 - Nottinghamshire, England
Member Since: September 2006 Posts: 34,375 Send Message	Mike *	Report	8 Aug 2015 13:50
	Name: Roland Park Goldsmith Birth: Jul 1900 - Ipswich, Suffolk Name: Roland Park Goldsmith Birth: 23 May 1900 Death: May 1990 - Bromsgrove, Worcestershire, England
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18,042 Send Message	MarieCeleste	Report	8 Aug 2015 13:48
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18,042 Send Message	His death Name: Douglas Park Goldsmith Birth Date: 8 Aug 1897 Date of Registration: Dec 1972 Age at Death: 75 Registration district: Coventry Inferred County: Warwickshire Volume: 9c Page: 1916

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