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James Winn Williams (b) 1839

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Susan

Susan Report 29 Jul 2015 16:06

Hi
Can anyone suggest were else I could look for information on the above gentleman I know he was born in Sheffield and was a Fish Hawker he married a lady called Isabella Johnston and they produced a daughter Harriett Frances
Thanks for any help you can offer :-D
Sue

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 29 Jul 2015 16:09

Well his marriage cert should name his father if known

Have you looked for him on the 1841 and 1851 census

greyghost

greyghost Report 29 Jul 2015 16:16

Is this the marriage you refer to? It is in the Berwick RD, Northumberland so England/Scotland borders. No second name registered.


England & Wales marriages 1837-2008 Transcription

First name(s) JAMES
Last name WILLIAMS
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1876
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ JAMES WILLIAMS married one of these people
ISABELLA JOHNSTON, CATHERINE SANDS, ANNIE COOK
District BERWICK
District number -
County Northumberland
Country England
Volume 10B
Page 536

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 29 Jul 2015 16:18

Is this the marriage ??

Marriages Sep 1876
Cook Annie Berwick 10b 536
Elliot Thomas Berwick 10b 536

Johnston Isabella Berwick 10b 536 >>>>>>>

Sands Catherine Berwick 10b 536

Williams James Berwick 10b 536 >>>>>>>>>

Catherine

Catherine Report 29 Jul 2015 16:21

Name: James W Williams
Age: 52
Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Isabella Williams
Gender: Male
Where born: Sheffield, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: St Nicholas
Ecclesiastical parish: St Nicholas
Town: Newcastle
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation: Fish hawker

Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4208
Folio: 63
Page Number: 38
Household Members:
Name Age
James W Williams 52
Isabella Williams 46 born: Penrith, Cumberland,
Harriet F Williams 8
Sarah A Thaw 20

States born in Derbyshire but still Sheffield.

greyghost

greyghost Report 29 Jul 2015 16:30

1891 for places of birth and occupations to confirm

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Close, Newcastle upon Tyne, Northumberland, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James W Williams Head Married Male 52 1839 Fish Hawker Sheffield, Derbyshire, England
Isabella Williams Wife Married Female 46 1845 Clothes Dealer Penrith, Cumberland, England
Harriet F Williams Daughter - Female 8 1883 Scholar Newcastle on Tyne
Sarah A Shaw Lodger Single Female 20 1871 White Lead Worker Scotland

Catherine

Catherine Report 29 Jul 2015 16:32

Where did you get the Winn from please?

greyghost

greyghost Report 29 Jul 2015 16:38

What else do you know Susan, he is very elusive. How have you worked back to him? Please post all you know. Not seeing Winn attached to a birth, marriage or death record at present.

greyghost

greyghost Report 29 Jul 2015 16:44

Daughter Harriett's marriage registered 2 ways

England & Wales marriages 1837-2008 Transcription

First name(s) HARRIET FRANCES W
Last name WILLIAMS
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1899
MarriageFinder™ HARRIET FRANCES W WILLIAMS married one of these people
EDWARD MILES, ALEXANDER SUMMERBELL
District NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE
County Northumberland
Country England
Volume 10B
Page 231

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England & Wales marriages 1837-2008 Transcription
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First name(s) HARRIET F
Last name WINN-WILLIAMS
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1899
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ HARRIET F WINN-WILLIAMS married one of these people
EDWARD MILES, ALEXANDER SUMMERBELL
District NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE
District number -
County Northumberland
Country England
Volume 10B
Page 231

greyghost

greyghost Report 29 Jul 2015 16:53

Looks like Harriett Frances, as Frances, with widowed mother Isabella McCann, so ? James Williams has died, Isabella has remarried and been widowed again?
Both Alexander and Harriett born Newcastle - the enumerator had a stamp for the local borns - clear as a bell, but obviously difficult to transcribe!!

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
13, Hanover Street, St Nicholas, Newcastle upon Tyne, Northumberland, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Alexander Summerbell Head Married Male 24 1877 Labourer In Factory -
Francis Summerbell Wife Married Female 19 1882 - -
Isabella McCann Mother-In-Law Widow Female 63 1838 General Dealer Penrith, Cumberland, England

Catherine

Catherine Report 29 Jul 2015 16:58

I can't find a birth for Harriet Frances Williams born 1883+/- 1yr anywhere in the country so just wondering if she may have been adopted????


Catherine

Catherine Report 29 Jul 2015 17:02

Wonder if this is his death?

Deaths Dec 1892 (>99%)
Williams James Edwin W 54 Newcastle T. 10b 55

Isabella's second marriage

Marriages Jun 1893 (>99%)
Abbott Bridget Newcastle T. 10b 252
xxxx McCan James Newcastle T. 10b 252
Monaghan William Newcastle T. 10b 252
xxxx Williams Isabella Wynn Newcastle T. 10b 252

malyon

malyon Report 29 Jul 2015 22:32

if james and isabella married in 1876 and had harriett in 1883 that seems along time to have a first child wonder if they had other children before harriett

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 30 Jul 2015 08:29

Not seeing them on the 1881 census :-(

Gritty

Gritty Report 30 Jul 2015 10:05

No idea if connected:

England & Wales marriages 1837-2008 Transcription

First name(s) JAMES WYNN
Last name WILLIAMS
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1886
MarriageFinder™ JAMES WYNN WILLIAMS married one of these people
MARY ANN ROBINSON, ISABELLA JOHNSON
District NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE
County Northumberland
Volume 10B Page 120

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 30 Jul 2015 10:20

Looks interesting Gritty

So looks like Harriett was born before they married

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 30 Jul 2015 10:24

????
1881 census
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
35, Liverpool Court, Newcastle upon Tyne St Andrew, Newcastle upon Tyne, Northumberland, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Isabella Wilson Head Widow Female 43 1838 Laundress Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England Transcription
Mary Wilson Daughter Single Female 21 1860 Laundress Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England Transcription
James Wilson Son Single Male 16 1865 Miller (Corn) Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England Transcription
Susan Wilson Daughter Single Female 12 1869 Milk Girl (Seller) Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England Transcription
John Wilson Son Single Male 2 1879 - Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England Transcription
Margaret Wilson Daughter Single Female 3 1878 - Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England Transcription

Isabella Johnson Boarder Widow Female 36 1845 Potato Seller (Greengrocer) Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England>>>>>

Elizabeth Angus Boarder Married Female 21 1860 - Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England Transcription
Thomas Angus Boarder Single Male 0

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 30 Jul 2015 11:15

Deaths Jun 1955
SUMMERBELL Alexander 78 Newcastle T. 1b 65

Not seeing a death for Harriet/t. or Frances Summerbell

Gritty

Gritty Report 30 Jul 2015 11:28

Deaths:
Name: Harriet F Summerbell
Birth Date: abt 1883
Date of Registration: Mar 1967
Age at Death: 84
Registration district: Gateshead
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 1a
Page: 848

safc

safc Report 30 Jul 2015 11:32

????


1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Blue Bell, Brampton, Cumberland, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas D Parker Head Married Male 41 1840 Innkeeper Brampton, Cumberland, England
Transcription
Sarah Parker Wife Married Female 38 1843 - Moss Side, Cumberland, England
Transcription
Mary T I Parker Daughter Single Female 14 1867 - Oakbank, Cumberland, England
Transcription
Joseph Parker Son Single Male 10 1871 Scholar Oulton, Cumberland, England
Transcription
Jane Ann Parker Daughter Single Female 7 1874 Scholar Cumberland, England
Transcription
John Parker Son Single Male 6 1875 Scholar Cumberland, England
Transcription
Sarah H Parker Daughter Single Female 3 1878 - Brampton, Cumberland, England
Transcription
Betsy G Parker Daughter Single Female 1 1880 - Brampton, Cumberland, England
Transcription
John Dalton Visitor Married Male 37 1844 Grocer Yorkshire, England
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James Williams Visitor Single Male 42 1839 Labourer General Kington, Derbyshire, England