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Susan
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29 Jul 2015 16:06 |
Hi Can anyone suggest were else I could look for information on the above gentleman I know he was born in Sheffield and was a Fish Hawker he married a lady called Isabella Johnston and they produced a daughter Harriett Frances Thanks for any help you can offer :-D Sue
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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29 Jul 2015 16:09 |
Well his marriage cert should name his father if known
Have you looked for him on the 1841 and 1851 census
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29 Jul 2015 16:16 |
Is this the marriage you refer to? It is in the Berwick RD, Northumberland so England/Scotland borders. No second name registered.
England & Wales marriages 1837-2008 Transcription
First name(s) JAMES Last name WILLIAMS Marriage quarter 3 Marriage year 1876 Registration month - MarriageFinder™ JAMES WILLIAMS married one of these people ISABELLA JOHNSTON, CATHERINE SANDS, ANNIE COOK District BERWICK District number - County Northumberland Country England Volume 10B Page 536
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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29 Jul 2015 16:18 |
Is this the marriage ??
Marriages Sep 1876 Cook Annie Berwick 10b 536 Elliot Thomas Berwick 10b 536
Johnston Isabella Berwick 10b 536 >>>>>>>
Sands Catherine Berwick 10b 536
Williams James Berwick 10b 536 >>>>>>>>>
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Catherine
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29 Jul 2015 16:21 |
Name: James W Williams Age: 52 Estimated birth year: abt 1839 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Isabella Williams Gender: Male Where born: Sheffield, Derbyshire, England Civil Parish: St Nicholas Ecclesiastical parish: St Nicholas Town: Newcastle County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Street address:
Occupation: Fish hawker
Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4208 Folio: 63 Page Number: 38 Household Members: Name Age James W Williams 52 Isabella Williams 46 born: Penrith, Cumberland, Harriet F Williams 8 Sarah A Thaw 20
States born in Derbyshire but still Sheffield.
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29 Jul 2015 16:30 |
1891 for places of birth and occupations to confirm
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Close, Newcastle upon Tyne, Northumberland, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place James W Williams Head Married Male 52 1839 Fish Hawker Sheffield, Derbyshire, England Isabella Williams Wife Married Female 46 1845 Clothes Dealer Penrith, Cumberland, England Harriet F Williams Daughter - Female 8 1883 Scholar Newcastle on Tyne Sarah A Shaw Lodger Single Female 20 1871 White Lead Worker Scotland
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Catherine
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29 Jul 2015 16:32 |
Where did you get the Winn from please?
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greyghost
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29 Jul 2015 16:38 |
What else do you know Susan, he is very elusive. How have you worked back to him? Please post all you know. Not seeing Winn attached to a birth, marriage or death record at present.
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29 Jul 2015 16:44 |
Daughter Harriett's marriage registered 2 ways
England & Wales marriages 1837-2008 Transcription
First name(s) HARRIET FRANCES W Last name WILLIAMS Marriage quarter 1 Marriage year 1899 MarriageFinder™ HARRIET FRANCES W WILLIAMS married one of these people EDWARD MILES, ALEXANDER SUMMERBELL District NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE County Northumberland Country England Volume 10B Page 231
------------------------------------------------ England & Wales marriages 1837-2008 Transcription Print transcription View image Attach to tree First name(s) HARRIET F Last name WINN-WILLIAMS Marriage quarter 1 Marriage year 1899 Registration month - MarriageFinder™ HARRIET F WINN-WILLIAMS married one of these people EDWARD MILES, ALEXANDER SUMMERBELL District NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE District number - County Northumberland Country England Volume 10B Page 231
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29 Jul 2015 16:53 |
Looks like Harriett Frances, as Frances, with widowed mother Isabella McCann, so ? James Williams has died, Isabella has remarried and been widowed again? Both Alexander and Harriett born Newcastle - the enumerator had a stamp for the local borns - clear as a bell, but obviously difficult to transcribe!!
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 13, Hanover Street, St Nicholas, Newcastle upon Tyne, Northumberland, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Alexander Summerbell Head Married Male 24 1877 Labourer In Factory - Francis Summerbell Wife Married Female 19 1882 - - Isabella McCann Mother-In-Law Widow Female 63 1838 General Dealer Penrith, Cumberland, England
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Catherine
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29 Jul 2015 16:58 |
I can't find a birth for Harriet Frances Williams born 1883+/- 1yr anywhere in the country so just wondering if she may have been adopted????
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Catherine
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29 Jul 2015 17:02 |
Wonder if this is his death?
Deaths Dec 1892 (>99%) Williams James Edwin W 54 Newcastle T. 10b 55
Isabella's second marriage
Marriages Jun 1893 (>99%) Abbott Bridget Newcastle T. 10b 252 xxxx McCan James Newcastle T. 10b 252 Monaghan William Newcastle T. 10b 252 xxxx Williams Isabella Wynn Newcastle T. 10b 252
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29 Jul 2015 22:32 |
if james and isabella married in 1876 and had harriett in 1883 that seems along time to have a first child wonder if they had other children before harriett
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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30 Jul 2015 08:29 |
Not seeing them on the 1881 census :-(
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Gritty
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30 Jul 2015 10:05 |
No idea if connected:
England & Wales marriages 1837-2008 Transcription
First name(s) JAMES WYNN Last name WILLIAMS Marriage quarter 1 Marriage year 1886 MarriageFinder™ JAMES WYNN WILLIAMS married one of these people MARY ANN ROBINSON, ISABELLA JOHNSON District NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE County Northumberland Volume 10B Page 120
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30 Jul 2015 10:20 |
Looks interesting Gritty
So looks like Harriett was born before they married
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30 Jul 2015 10:24 |
???? 1881 census 1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 35, Liverpool Court, Newcastle upon Tyne St Andrew, Newcastle upon Tyne, Northumberland, England
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Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Isabella Wilson Head Widow Female 43 1838 Laundress Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England Transcription Mary Wilson Daughter Single Female 21 1860 Laundress Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England Transcription James Wilson Son Single Male 16 1865 Miller (Corn) Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England Transcription Susan Wilson Daughter Single Female 12 1869 Milk Girl (Seller) Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England Transcription John Wilson Son Single Male 2 1879 - Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England Transcription Margaret Wilson Daughter Single Female 3 1878 - Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England Transcription
Isabella Johnson Boarder Widow Female 36 1845 Potato Seller (Greengrocer) Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England>>>>>
Elizabeth Angus Boarder Married Female 21 1860 - Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England Transcription Thomas Angus Boarder Single Male 0
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30 Jul 2015 11:15 |
Deaths Jun 1955 SUMMERBELL Alexander 78 Newcastle T. 1b 65
Not seeing a death for Harriet/t. or Frances Summerbell
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Gritty
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30 Jul 2015 11:28 |
Deaths: Name: Harriet F Summerbell Birth Date: abt 1883 Date of Registration: Mar 1967 Age at Death: 84 Registration district: Gateshead Inferred County: Durham Volume: 1a Page: 848
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30 Jul 2015 11:32 |
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1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Blue Bell, Brampton, Cumberland, England
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Thomas D Parker Head Married Male 41 1840 Innkeeper Brampton, Cumberland, England Transcription Sarah Parker Wife Married Female 38 1843 - Moss Side, Cumberland, England Transcription Mary T I Parker Daughter Single Female 14 1867 - Oakbank, Cumberland, England Transcription Joseph Parker Son Single Male 10 1871 Scholar Oulton, Cumberland, England Transcription Jane Ann Parker Daughter Single Female 7 1874 Scholar Cumberland, England Transcription John Parker Son Single Male 6 1875 Scholar Cumberland, England Transcription Sarah H Parker Daughter Single Female 3 1878 - Brampton, Cumberland, England Transcription Betsy G Parker Daughter Single Female 1 1880 - Brampton, Cumberland, England Transcription John Dalton Visitor Married Male 37 1844 Grocer Yorkshire, England Transcription James Williams Visitor Single Male 42 1839 Labourer General Kington, Derbyshire, England
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