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I don't see a Thomas and Edith William living in Anglesey in 1901 or 1911.

There's this, just as a shot in the dark - if Edith was known as Ellen, maybe? There are certainly 5 daughters in this family :

Jennie Williams
in the 1911 Wales Census

Name: Jennie Williams
Age in 1911: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1902
Relation to Head: Daughter (Child)
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Amlwch, Anglesey, Wales
Civil Parish: Amlwch
County/Island: Anglesey
Country: Wales
Street address: Penylon Llaethdy Bach Amlwch
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: School
Registration district: Anglesey
Registration District Number: 633
Sub-registration district: Amlwch
ED, institution, or vessel: 03
Household schedule number: 76
Piece: 34572
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Williams 63
Ellen Williams 44
William Thomas Williams 19
Mary Ellen Williams 17
Catherine Lizzie Williams 16
Maggie Williams 15
Nellie Williams 14
Jennie Williams 9
John Williams 2


EDIT:

No, the 1911 says they were married 21 years before, therefore approx. 1890.
There are a couple of possible marriages to Ellens, but no Ediths - assuming marriage in Anglesey.

thank you

just found out jennie real name was jane ellen mum was def edith her dad was idris john think idris dad could have been john

I'm completely stuck please help i can't seem to piece it together jenny was actually jane ellen williams. jane ellen parents were edith and thomas husband idris father was john thank you sorry to be so thick x

I'm afraid it doesn't look as if we can help you with Jane / Jennie.

I can't see any Williams child born 1902, with parents Thomas and Edith, in Wales in 1911.


As far as Idris is concerned, the birth and death I posted on page 2 of this thread look as if they MIGHT be for the correct person, and the 1911 census posted by Jacqueline on page 2, on 27th June at 08.53, might also be correct, as you say his father may have been John.

As has been said before, to be absolutely sure of the names of the parents of Jane and Idris, you would have to buy a copy of the marriage certificate - posted by Jacqueline at the top of page 2.

But I'm afraid we can't be certain.

jane/jennie was born in 25 dec 1907

jenny / jane was def born in 25 dec 1907 .
idris her husbamd had a brother evan who was the eldest and became mayor of ealing in the 50s idris was the youngest of 5 two brothers and two sisters please help i can't find any of these or jenny / jane its so frustrating I've been looking for hours

You are not going to be able to do this tree unless you spend money on at least the marriage cert.

The longer you leave it, the less chance you have of getting the info in time

You've changed the YEAR of the woman's birth now.!

1.
IF the new date of birth you have given us is now the correct one, and IF Jane/Jennie was born in Anglesey (which we don't know - we're only assuming that because she was married there), then one of these four births should be hers:

EDIT: Actually one of the first two, if her middle name was Ellen, as you have said.


Births Mar 1908 (>99%)
Williams Jane Ellen Carnarvon 11b 399
Williams Jane Ellen Anglesey 11b 454

Births Dec 1907 (>99%)
WILLIAMS Jennie Melvyn Carnarvon 11b 386

Births Mar 1908 (>99%)
Williams Jennie Bangor 11b 421

The only way to know which (if any) is her birth , is to buy the certificates to see who the parents of each child were. We cannot help you with that.

2.
I cannot see any 1911 census record for a Jane/Jenny/Jennie/Jennifer Williams, born 1906-8 in Wales, with parents Thomas and Edith.

3.
The only possible 1911 census record for an Idris Williams, born 1906-8, with father John, and older brother Evan, is the one already posted by Jacqueline on page 2, which I will post again here.
This family live in Porth, which matches your earlier information, and also fits with the birth and death records already posted on page 2.
This family has a son younger than Idris, but perhaps your informant is mistaken in thinking Idris was the youngest.

Idris John Williams
in the 1911 Wales Census

Name: Idris John Williams
Age in 1911: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1907
Relation to Head: Son (Child)
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Llanwonno, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil Parish: Rhondda
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street address: 15 Charles St Porth Glamorganshire
Registration district: Pontypridd
Registration District Number: 589
Sub-registration district: Llanwonno
ED, institution, or vessel: 06
Household schedule number: 79
Piece: 32252
Household Members:
Name Age
John Williams 49
Eleanor Williams 40 - wife
Jane Evans 72 - mother-in-law
Evan Thomas Williams 18 - son
Arianwen Williams 14 - daughter
Arthur Ewart Williams 9 - son
Editha Jane Williams 7 - daughter
Idris John Williams 4 - son
Meurig Owen Williams 2 - son

From all the various bits of information you have given us, this seems the most likely family to be Idris's, but we can't guarantee it without knowing his mother's name, which you could find out if you bought his birth certificate (see record on page 2.)

I appreciate your frustration, but as we have said several times before, there are so many Williamses in Wales, that you need the certificates to verify which are the correct people.

I think I speak for all the helpers who have searched for this family when I say that we feel we have done all we can in this search.

Sometimes family tree research is like that - it can often be impossible to pin down the people you want to know about.

You've been given all the info about Idris, so why are you looking for him?

One final possibility:

IF that is the right family in 1911 above, then this is probably the marriage of Idris's parents:

Marriages Mar 1892 (>99%)
Evans Eleanor Pontypridd 11a 680
Williams John Pontypridd 11a 680

And that's me out.
I'm not starting to look for Evanses in Wales as well as Williamses!

just been informed jenny had 4 sisters blodwen, muriel ,edith who dies at a young lady of t /b and mabel