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I am told that Sydney and William Cole were twins born in London sometime after 1907. To be fair, this information is a bit suspect as I was previously told the twins were Edward and William, but my elderly informant assures me that Sydney and William is the correct pairing!!!

I am also told the twins had siblings Rosina and Patricia and that their father was a grocer.

I have created all sorts of lists to try and match a Sydney and a William with the same year, quarter and district and, in the case of post Aug 1911, mother's maiden name but to no avail. I am now going cross eyed

Any suggestions on how I can find the twins without going mad please?

Gerry

Who were their parents supposed to have been?

How does your informant relate to them?

You (and he/she) should be working backwards

Which part of London does this refer to?

Why 'after 1907'? What is the significance of the year?

Why are you trying to find them? Are they connected to you?

Do you know if any of them got married? When and to whom? Any children for any of them?

The earliest birth for a Patricia Cole anywhere remotely near to London wasn't until
1916

Very little is known beyond what I have said. I am researching the family for a friend who is in his late 70s. His father was George Cole who he THINKS was born in 1907 in London, possibly Bow. He THINKS his father had 10 or 11 siblings, or it may have been less!

He KNOWS there were twins and that Rosina and Patricia were siblings. He knows their father (his grandfather) was a grocer in London. Beyond that nothing else is known.

I thought my best way of getting some concrete info was to find the twins as there are too many variables with the other siblings

The BEST way to get info is to work back from your friend's birth

Who was his mother? When did his parents marry?

Did his father have a second forename?

Systematic research is the only reliable way to get info

Does your friend know when and where his father died?

Doesn't he have any idea of the names of his grandparents?

Have you done anything about looking for his father's birth?

Or finding him in 1911 on the census?

Posting this as it is on someone's tree on ancestry. Father is a grocer, there is a William and a George born 1907. There also seem to be twins but the wrong names.



1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
6 Castle Street Battersea SW, Battersea, London, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
William Cole Head Married Male 35 1876 London Battersea Greengrocer
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Jane Cole Wife Married Female 35 1876 London Blackfriars Assisting In The Business
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William Cole Son - Male 12 1899 London Battersea School
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Ellen Cole Daughter - Female 9 1902 London Battersea School
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Fredrick Cole Son - Male 8 1903 London Battersea -
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Ridgnell Cole Son - Male 7 1904 London Battersea School
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George Cole Son - Male 4 1907 London Battersea -
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Harry Cole Son - Male 1 1910 London Battersea -
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Albert Cole Son - Male 1 1910 London Battersea -

Yes Jacqueline, I have systematically got to where I am.

I have his parents marriage cert which tells me his grandfather was Henry (I forgot to mention that before) and that he was a "buyer" which he apparently was - a buyer for a grocer!

I have looked in 1911 but there are no entries that seem to fit without more info.

His father died in Wimbledon.

And yes I am waiting for a posible birth cert

I wondered about that one...................but decided the twins were not the right ones

Still, the names have been changed before, so perhaps.................


Births Dec 1909 (>99%)

Cole Albert Edward Wandsworth 1d 539
Cole Henry Thomas Wandsworth 1d 539

Are you going to elaborate any further?

Or do we have to guess?

or give up on trying to help...................

Thanks alviegal. I previously forgot to say that their father's name was Henry!!

Jacqueline. Thanks for your help

I have tried to tell you everything I know and why I know no more. I have also tried to respond as quickly as I can while trying to help someone else in another matter.

Please feel free to stop helping if this isnt enough

Gerry

For reference- this is George's marriage:
Name: George Henry Cole
Age: 29
Birth Year: abt 1907
Marriage Date: 25 Apr 1936
Archive Provided Parish: Wimbledon, St Mary
Parish as it Appears: Wimbledon
Spouse: Lilian Rose Styles
Spouse Age: 25
Father: Henry Cole
Spouse Father: Alfred John Styles
Reference Number: 2853/1/11

George's address: 4 Orchard Ave, New Malden

Witnesses:
R.S Cole & F. M Styles

Btw Jacqueline I think you may well be onto something with the twins you found in 1909. Thank you. I will get birth cert

Hi Gritty

Good to see you again. I am giving the Platts a rest at the moment!!

Yes, that is the marriage

COLE GEORGE H 1907 1965 1965 Deaths & burials Surrey North Eastern, Surrey, England


So WHY didn't you tell us his second name?

It's such an obvious thing to give

Births Sep 1906

Cole George Henry ... St. Giles 1b 558

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Births Sep 1907

Cole George Henry ......Wandsworth 1d 525

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Births Dec 1907

Cole George Henry ...... Wandsworth 1d 710


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Births Sep 1908

Cole George Henry ...Hampstead 1a 581

????????
Births Dec 1897 (>99%)
Cole Rosina Sarah St. Saviour 1d 108


NO...her father was William

I am checking with friend to see if he can recall when his Dad died