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Hi
I just wonder if anyone could help me please with the Census for
William Bramley born about 1868 Hucknall Nottingham

He is entered on 1911 Census as a prisoner I wonder why !!
He is also on 1901 Census
But I cannot find him on 1891 1881 1871 Census
It states on the Marraige for William Bramley his Father is called Thomas Bramley
Please
Olive Jean

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1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Carr Street, Ilkeston, Basford, Nottinghamshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William H Bramley Head Married Male 21 1870 Coal Miner Hucknall, Nottinghamshire, England

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1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Baker Street, Hucknall, Basford, Nottinghamshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Bramley Head - Male 22 1849 - Leicestershire, England
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Ann Bramley Wife - Female 21 1850 - Nottinghamshire, England
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Wm Henry Bramley Son - Male 1 1870 - Nottinghamshire, England

Hi
Thankyou for your information
I wonder if it states his Family on 1891 Census please
Any luck with 1881 Census
I now need to find his Mothers name then maybe find his Father and Mothers Marraige

From Olive

Hi
Anyway of finding out why William Bramley was a prisoner please
From Olive

If it is the same one then he and his wife Mary had been charged with cruelty to their 4 children.

Let me know it that fits and if so I will try to send you the newspaper article.

Dea x

My computer is 'throwing a wobbly' and I can't download the article and I am off to do some shopping just now while it sorts itself out so I have typed out the article below:

CRUELTY TO CHILDREN AT
LANGLEY MILL

At Heanor today, William and Mary Bramley
of Langley Mill, were chrged with cruelty to their
four children, whose ages range from two to ten
years. Mr A.J. Hopkins (Chesterfield) prosecuted
on behalf of the N.S.P.C.C.

Inspector Hackney stated that he first visited
the family in Nook-end Heanor, on September
16th last. The children were then very dirty. Both
parents were addicted to drink. Some time after-
wards the defendants left Nook-end, and later he
found them at Langley Mill. The children were
dirty, and there was no food in the house. The
father and three children slept in one bed, while the
mother and baby slept on a mattress.

Police-inspector Stone corroborated, and the
magistrates sentenced each defendant to three
months' imprisonment.

from:
Nottingham Evening Post 24 April 1911
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On the census 1911 he is in a police cell at the Constabulary where Inspector Stone and his family were living so he had either been arrested for this or it would seem likely that he was in for being 'drunk'.

The census was taken on the night of 2nd April.

Dea x

P.S. - I should like to point out that I have copied the article as it was printed so all that bad punctuation is theirs, not mine
;-) :-D

Hi
Wow yes his wife was called mary (Polly)
I would love to see the news paper article Please

Next question has anyone found William Bramley on 1881 Census please

Thankyou once again
Olive

Is it possible that the prisoner in 1911 is a different person?

There's also this William Henry Bramley born c1870 in Hucknall:

William H. Bramley

in the 1881 England Census
Name: William H. Bramley
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relationship to Head: Son (Child)
Father: Robert Bramley
Mother: Mary Bramley
Gender: Male
Where born: Hucknall Torkard, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Hucknall Torkard
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Street address: Whybourne Street
Registration district: Basford
Sub registration district: Bulwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3334
Folio: 14
Page Number: 22
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Bramley 58
Mary Bramley 49
Annie Bramley 12
William H. Bramley 11

Hi Dea
Thankyou so much for the write up

Olive Jean

Re the 1891 census posted by safc, William Henry is the sole member of his household, at 45 Carr Street.

Next door, at 46 Carr Street, are:

William H Branley (Bramley on image)

in the 1891 England Census

Name: William H Branley
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Son (Child)
Father's name: Thomas Branley
Mother's name: Ann Branley
Gender: Male
Where born: Derby, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Ilkeston
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Ilkeston
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Street address: 46 Carr Street

Registration district: Basford
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2666
Folio: 16
Page Number: 25
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Branley 42 - Leicestershire - Licensed hawker
Ann Branley 41 - Hucknall Torkard
John T Branley 16 - Hucknall
Clara Branley 14 - Hucknall
William H Branley 11 - Derby
Elizabeth Branley 7 - Ilkeston

Hi
I will try and get William Bramleys Birth Transcript then I will know who his Father was and his mothers first name
On 1891census does it state his wife and family please
Thankyou Olive

As mentioned above, in 1891, that William is the sole member of his household.

Which of these is your William?

Births Sep 1869 (>99%)
Bramley William Henry Basford 7b 158

Births Mar 1870 (>99%)
Bramley William Henry Basford 7b 158

In 1881, this seems to be that 1891 family of Bramleys, with a different husband.
Maybe the Ann in 1871 left Thomas, lived with William Pike and changed the children's names, then went back to Thomas before 1891, and changed the children's names back again ??.:

William Hy. Pike

in the 1881 England Census
Name: William Hy. Pike
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relationship to Head: Son (Child)
Father: William Pike
Mother: Ann Pike
Gender: Male
Where born: Hucknall Torkard, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Ilkeston
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Street address: 8 Abbey St
Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Basford
Sub registration district: Ilkeston
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3326
Folio: 59
Page Number: 51
Household Members:
Name Age
William Pike 33 - coal miner - Leicester
Ann Pike 32 - Hucknall
William Hy. Pike 12 - Hucknall
John Pike 6 - Hucknall
Clara Pike 4 - Hucknall
Henry Pike 1 - Derbyshire (listed as William Henry in 1891)

Hi
This seams to be a hard William Bramley
Maybe I should send for his Marraige to Polly Bramley
Thankyou you all
Olive

This is the family of the one in the Police cells:

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
26 North Street Langley Mill Nottinghamshire, Heanor, Nottinghamshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Mary Bramley Wife In Charge Married Female 39 1872 Derbyshire Darley -
Henry Bramley Son - Male 10 1901 Derbyshire Heanor School
Pollyy Bramley Daughter - Female 8 1903 Derbyshire Heanor School
George Bramley Son - Male 6 1905 Derbyshire Heanor School
Mabel Bramley Daughter - Female 3 1908 Derbyshire Heanor -

Dea x

Hi
Thankyou
I wonder if there were Electorol Lists round about That time as it would be interesting to see where they were living
Olive Jean

England Marriages 1538-1973 Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Polly
Last name Crooks
Age 21
Marriage year 1891
Marriage date 25 Dec 1891
Marriage place Ilkeston, Derby, England
Father's first name(s) Rufus
Father's last name Crooks
Spouse's first name(s) William
Spouse's last name Brambley
Spouse's father's first name(s) Thomas
Spouse's father's last name Brambley


Derbyshire Registrars Marriage Index Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Polly
Last name Crooks
Marriage year 1891
Parish St.Mary
Place Ilkeston
Spouse's first name William
Spouse's last name Bramley
Reference C10/05/022


Marriages Dec 1891 (>99%)
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Bramley William Basford 7b 307
Crooks Polly Basford 7b 307


(is above the Marriage you refer to?, end of 1891)

Chris :)

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(It states on the Marraige for William Bramley his Father is called Thomas Bramley
Please
Olive Jean)

Hi
I have rung Derbyshire Records Office to see if they will do a Marraige Transcript but it is cheaper to send for the origanal
Would Find my Past have a copy of the Marriage Transcript if I went into Nottingham
Library
Thankyou
Olive Jean