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Hi thank you so much for all the information
amanda
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Don't assume that any info prior to the marriage is the right John until you verify
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I am going to get is birth and marraige cert l will order them on monday
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Hi
Than you all for information you have given me
I have been looking at in more detail and into it further, It does look like John Leese was born illigitamitly. ( I will order is birth and marriage cert )
Let take it that the info given early is correct, And elizabeth Leese is John mother John then has is mother name has is suremane. Elizabeth Leese in cences records is down has living with Alice Cyples ( Who l take is her mother) and Sylvanus Cyples has her step father. However in the 1871 cences
Name: Elizabeth Leese
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1852
Relation: Stepdaughter
Mother's name: Alice Cyples
Gender: Female
Where born: Longton, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Stoke upon Trent
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Stoke Upon Trent
Sub-registration district: Longton
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Household schedule number: 83
Piece: 2876
Folio: 70
Page Number: 17
Household Members:
Name Age
Sylvenus Cyples 36
Alice Cyples 43
George Leese 21
Elizabeth Leese 19
Sarah Leese 19
Emma Leese 15
Mary Ann Leese 12
Albert Leese 7
Henry Leese 7
Is it that Alice was married before to a man with surename Leese and the chidren are these and he possible died, divorced, etc and she married Sylvaus and he took on the Alice and the 7 kids
Or
Are they marked down in the census wrong and they are in deed Alice and Sylvanus children
This family is a mystery to me l just dont seem to be able to crack it
Thanks
Amanda
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County Staffordshire
Place Caverswall
Church St Peter
RegisterNumber 191
MarriageDate 18 Feb 1867
GroomForename Sylvanus
GroomSurname CYPLES
GroomAge 33
GroomParish
GroomCondition Single
GroomOccupation Potter
GroomAbode Caverswall
BrideForename Alice
BrideSurname LEES
BrideAge 43
BrideParish
BrideCondition Widow
BrideOccupation Potter
BrideAbode Caverswall
GroomFatherForename William
GroomFatherSurname CYPLES
GroomFatherOccupation Potter
BrideFatherForename Sylvanus
BrideFatherSurname BALL
BrideFatherOccupation Potter
WitnessOneForename Jane
WitnessOneSurname MIDDLETON
WitnessTwoForename Rupert
WitnessTwoSurname ABBERLEY
Notes Both signed X.
http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl
(perhaps worth a look round on above free link)
County Staffordshire
Place Longton
Church St John
RegisterNumber 195
MarriageDate 01 May 1892
GroomForename John
GroomSurname LEESE
GroomAge 19
GroomCondition Bachelor
GroomOccupation Potter
GroomAbode Anchor Rd
BrideForename Sarah Elizabeth
BrideSurname EVANS
BrideAge 19
BrideCondition Spinster
BrideOccupation
BrideAbode Anchor Rd
GroomFatherForename
GroomFatherSurname ILLEGITIMATE
GroomFatherOccupation
BrideFatherForename Edward
BrideFatherSurname EVANS
BrideFatherOccupation Miner
WitnessOneForename Edwin
WitnessOneSurname COTTON
WitnessTwoForename Selina Agnes
WitnessTwoSurname DAY
Chris :)
Burial
County Staffordshire
Place Longton
Church Longton Cemetery
RegisterNumber 3757
BurialDate 11 May 1892
Forename Florrie
Surname LEESE
Age 2d
Abode Anchor Road
Notes Parish of St Johns
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Amanda
I took the trouble to find and post for you the 1851 census showing Alice with her first husband..........
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Hi everyone
I'm new to this, but I've just started looking into my family tree.
I'm a little stuck and puzzled. This is what I've got so far.
My grand father was John leese. Born in Longton in 1899
Married my Gran Ann Coburn in 1923 in Ossett
So my Great Gand Parents are Henry Leese and Matilda Hanson and they lived at 14 Sutherland Place, Longton
My problem is Sylvanus And Alice Cyples, according to the censer 1901 they also lived at 14 Sutherland Place with them.
The bit I can't understand is What happened to Henry's father if Alice was his mother
:-S
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Look at ALL the records posted on here (and the comments).....and evaluate the info systematically
Henry's father must have died.........unless Alice's marriage to Cyples was bigamous
Look for a death in the district in which they were living in 1861
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1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Howard Street, Caverswall, Cheadle, Staffordshire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Leese Head Married Male 36 1825 Potter Stoke on Trent, Staffordshire, England Transcription
Alice Leese Wife Married Female 36 1825 - Staffordshire, England Transcription
George Leese Son - Male 11 1850 Potter Stoke on Trent, Staffordshire, England Transcription
Elizabeth Leese Daughter - Female 9 1852 Scholar Stoke on Trent, Staffordshire, England Transcription
Sarah Leese Daughter - Female 7 1854 Scholar Caverswall, Staffordshire, England Transcription
Emma Leese Daughter - Female 5 1856 Scholar Caverswall, Staffordshire, England Transcription
Mary A Leese Daughter - Female 2 1859 - Caverswall, Staffordshire, England Transcription
John Leese Son - Male 0 1861 - Caverswall, Staffordshire, England
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First name(s) John
Last name Lees
Name note -
Marriage year 1847
Marriage date 31 Jan 1847
Marriage place Fulford,Stafford,England
Spouse's first name(s) Alice
Spouse's last name Ball
Place Fulford
County Staffordshire
Country England
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Thank you Jacqueline.
I've found my cousins family tree on ancestry
Apparently Alice Ball married (my great great grandfather) John Leese who died in 1864
Alice then married Sylvanus Cyples in 1867
I have Henry Leeses wedding certificate and they all lived a 14 Sutherland Place.
I would like to know which factory the all worked in.
That would be interesting :-D
Ps
The black and white photo on hear is of me and my grandad John Leese. Henry's Son
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