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Hi there l would like some help please. I have not done much on this family has l cant find information l keep hitting walls.

Were Still born children in the 1800s and early 1900s registered?

I will put what information l have already on these people and if help me to fill in the blanks if possible.

John leese 1873 born Stoke- On-Trent: He married

Sarah Evans 1873 birth also Stoke-On-Trent.

Sarah father is named Edward Evans 1850- Shropshire
Sarah Mother is Sarah Johnson 1851 also born in Shropshire.

I have no ideal if sarah had any siblings at all

I did a search on staffordshire free BMd and l came up with

1892- florrie and twin May- Belive died at birth
1893- Harry also believed to die at birth
1895- emma--- she lived
1896- Alice believed to have die at birth
1897- Lillian- believed to have lived
1898- Beatrice -- believed to have died
1900- Alice. Believed to have die
1901- george-- Belived to have lived
1903- Alice she lived-- Rose believed to have died
1904- cicely-- Lived
1907-John- Lived
1908-Frederick-Lived
1910- Norman/ reginald- Belivied died
1913- Alan Lived

I know there a lot of kids but l cant locate death cert for them and any other information. This is all l have on them

Hope you can help me


kind regards

Amanda

Stillborns werent registered till 1927 when a separate still birth register was started .
This is only open to the parents of the child

presume these are Leese children ?

have you found the family on the 1911 census?

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
23, Back Lovatt Street, Longton, Lonton, Stoke upon Trent, Staffordshire, England

John Leese Head Married Male 28 1873 Potters Handler Longton, Staffordshire, England

Sarah E Leese Wife Married Female 28 1873 - Longton, Staffordshire, England

Emma Leese Daughter - Female 6 1895 - Longton, Staffordshire, England

Lilian Leese Daughter - Female 3 1898 - Longton, Staffordshire, England

Edward Evans Father-In-Law Widower Male 52 1849 Coal Miner (Hewer) Longton, Staffordshire, England

Henry Evans Brother-In-Law Single Male 22 1879 Coal Miner Longton, Staffordshire, England

George Evans Brother-In-Law Single Male 11 1890 - Longton, Staffordshire, England

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
11 Bright St Longton Stoke on Trent, Longton, Staffordshire, England


John Leese Head Married Male 38 1873 Longton Staffordshire Potter Handler

Sarah Elizabeth Leese Wife Married Female 38 1873 Longton Staffs Throwers Take Off

Emma Leese Daughter Single Female 16 1895 Longton Staffs Potters Lathe Turner

Lillian Leese Daughter - Female 13 1898 Longton Staffs -

George Leese Son - Male 10 1901 Longton Staffs Scho

Alice Leese Daughter - Female 8 1903 Longton Staffs School

Cicely Leese Daughter - Female 6 1905 Longton Staffs School
John Leese Son - Male 4 1907 Longton Staffs School

Frederick Leese Son - Male 3 1908 Longton Staffs -

married 18 years 15 children born 8 have died 7 still living

heres some of them from Free BMD

Deaths Jun 1892
Leese Florrie 0 Stoke T. 6b 161

Deaths Sep 1892
Leese May 0 Stoke T. 6b 148

Deaths Sep 1900
Leese Alice 0 Stoke T. 6b 199

Deaths Mar 1903
Leese Beatrice 0 Stoke T. 6b 156

Deaths Dec 1906
Leese Norman 0 Stoke T. 6b 176

Deaths Sep 1910
Leese Normam 0 Stoke T. 6b 133
Leese Reginald 0 Stoke T. 6b 132


maybe this is harry

Deaths Mar 1895
Leese Harold 0 Stoke T. 6b 128


gotta go out now sorry :-(

You should be able to find Sarah (1873) on the FREE 1881 census on familysearch, to see whether she had siblings

freebmd would be better than Staffs site for deaths.............the Staffs site has transcribed only a very limited number of records

Hi thank you for this information it all helps.

Rose Leese
England and Wales, Death Registration Index 1837-2007
Name: Rose Leese
Event Type: Death
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration Year: 1903
Registration District: Stoke On Trent
County: Staffordshire
Event Place: Stoke On Trent, Staffordshire, England
Volume: 6B
Page: 180
Line Number: 162

Deaths Mar 1896 (>99%)
Leese Harry 2 Stoke T. 6b 199

Thanks for the information

Is there information on John Leese the father l think he might be illegitimate

thanxs

amanda

As with Sarah, look for him in 1881

Much more fun to find info yourself

If that doesn't prove conclusive, a copy of his marriage cert would probably help

First name(s) John
Last name Leese
Age 19
Birth year 1873
Marriage year 1892
Marriage date 01 May 1892
Marriage place Longton, St John
Denomination Anglican
Residence 224 Anchor Rd
Spouse's first name(s) Sarah Elizabeth
Spouse's last name Evans
Spouse's age 19
Spouse's Residence 236 Anchor Rd
Spouse's father's first name(s) Edward
Spouse's father's last name Evans
County Staffordshire
Country England
Archive Reference D3276/1/2/3
Page 98
Register Type Marriage 1837 type

No father named, so that's very conclusive

Suggestion ONLY

First name(s) John
Last name Leese
Birth year 1872
Birth date 11 Sep 1872
Baptism year 1878
Baptism date 04 Aug 1878
Baptism place Longton, St James
Denomination Anglican
Mother's first name(s) Emily
County Staffordshire
Country England
Archive reference D3277/1/1/5
Page 7
Register Type Baptisms
Record set Staffordshire baptisms

Alternative scenario...........this man's occupation tallies with 1901, but, of course, that could be sheer coincidence, in view of the locale

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Sutherland Place, Stoke upon Trent, Staffordshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Silvensis Cyples Head Married Male 56 1835 Potter Twiner Longton, Staffordshire, England Transcription
Alice Cyples Wife Married Female 66 1825 - Broseley, Shropshire, England Transcription
Elizabeth Leese Stepdaughter Single Female 40 1851 Potter Throwers Assistant Longton, Staffordshire, England Transcription
John Leese Stepson Single Male 18 1873 Potter Handler Longton, Staffordshire, England Transcription
Albert Dalo Visitor Single Male 6 1885 Scholar Longton, Staffordshire, England Transcription
Henry Leese Stepson Single Male 29 1862 Potter Twiner Longton, Staffordshire, England

Same family in 1881........thought I'd post it while I had it on screen

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
10, Sutherland Place, Stoke upon Trent, Staffordshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Servenuus ? Cyples Head Married Male 46 1835 Potters Turner Longton, Staffordshire, England Transcription
Alice Cyples Wife Married Female 53 1828 Potters Turner Wife Madeley, Shropshire, England Transcription
Elizabeth Leese Step Daughter Single Female 29 1852 Potters Wheel Turner Longton, Staffordshire, England Transcription
Albert Leese Step Son Single Male 17 1864 Potters Presser Caverswall, Staffordshire, England Transcription
Henry Leese Step Son Single Male 17 1864 Potters Turner Caverswall, Staffordshire, England Transcription
John Leese Grand Son Single Male 8 1873 Scholar Longton, Staffordshire, England Transcription
George Streets Boarder Single Male 29 1852 Potters Presser Longton, Staffordshire, England

Elizabeth would be the obvious candidate for his mother

Name: Sylvanus Cyples
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 1834
Christening Place: ST. JAMES', LONGTON, STAFFORD, ENGLAND
Father's Name: William Cyples
Mother's Name: Ellen

I hope this isn't leading you on a wild-goose chase!

Name: Sylvanus Cyples
Event Type: Marriage
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration Year: 1867
Registration District: Cheadle
County: Staffordshire
Event Place: Cheadle, Staffordshire, England
Volume: 6B
Page: 342
Line Number: 241

Sylvanus Cyples probably married one of the following people
Name: Mary Jones
Name: Alice Lees***********
Name: William Wood

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Furnace Road, Stoke upon Trent, Staffordshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Lees Head Married Male 26 1825 Potter Turner Hanley, Staffordshire, England Transcription
Alice Lees Wife Married Female 26 1825 - Broseley, Shropshire, England Transcription
George Lees Son - Male 1 1850 - Longton, Staffordshire, England Transcription
William Mathews Lodger Widower Male 42 1809 Potter Thrower Fenton, Staffordshire, England Transcription
Benjamin Mathews Lodger - Male 11 1840 Potter Clay Wedger Fenton, Staffordshire, England Transcription
William Mathews Lodger - Male 6 1845 Scholar Fenton, Staffordshire, England Transcription
Maria Mathews Lodger - Female 2 1849 - Fenton, Staffordshire, England

This will tell you his mother's name............assuming it's the correct child

Staffordshire Birth indexes for the years: 1872
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference

LEESE John Longton Stoke-On-Trent LEESE LGN/050/007