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My great grandfather Christopher Faithful or possibly William Christopher Faithful born circa 1871 appears in the 1901 census as being born in East Indies. In the 1911 census he is called William C Faithful and is recorded as being in The Convict Prison Princetown Dartmoor. I can find what I think is his death certificate, which has him recorded as Christopher W Faithful, which records his death in Lewisham in 1915.
I can't find any record of movement back to UK or any details of why he was in prison. I know his father was a James Faithful which has come from his marriage certificate which shows Christopher marrying a Martha Wellard in 1896. James Faithfull, Christopher's fathers occupation as recorded on the marriage certificate was as a Jeweller.
It would be good to find some information about Christopher's father James and what were the circumstances of Christopher's birth in India.
Thanks in advance for any help or ideas of how to proceed. I know the Prison records for Dartmoor were destroyed in a fire.

Welcome to the boards Patricia :-) :-) :-)Name: William C Faithfull
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Gender: Male
Age: 14
Relationship to Head of Household: Scholar
Birthplace: Punyant, India
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Easthampstead
Sub-District: Sandhurst
Parish: Sandhurst
County: Berkshire

coincidence??

Name: Hilda W Faithfull
Event Type: Marriage Registration
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration Year: 1930
Registration District: Winchester
County: Hampshire
Event Place: Winchester, Hampshire, England
Spouse Name (available after 1911): Wellard
Volume: 2C
Page: 245
Line Number: 56

Wellard probably married one of the following people
Name: Leslie R Wellard

Event Type: Death
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year: 1940
Registration District: Newbury
County: Berkshire
Event Place: Newbury, Berkshire, England
Age (available after 1866): 60
Birth Year (Estimated): 1880
Volume: 2C
Page: 749
Line Number: 102

The William on the 1871 census that Ann posted....was born in 1857.

It must be the wrong one, I think that census is for William Conrad Faithful - registered in India under military records.

I agree Flip.


For Ref....


1901 England Census
about Christopher Faithfull Name:Christopher Faithfull
Age:30
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1871
Relation to Head:Head
Gender:Male
Spouse:Martha Faithfull
Birth Place:East Indies
Civil Parish:Lee
Ecclesiastical parish:St Mildred
County/Island:London
Country:England

Household Members:

Christopher Faithfull 30 (Bricklayer)
Martha Faithfull 25
Edvard Willard 54 (Father in Law)
Bertie Willard 11 (Brother in Law)
Visitors.....
Charlotte Williams 43
Amelia Williams 14
Florence Williams 12
Frederick Williams 9
Emily Williams 7
Rowland Williams 4
Harvey Williams 2

What was William's occupation on the marriage to Martha?

Jude

his son ??
1901

1901 England Census about Christopher Faithfull
Name: Christopher Faithfull
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Relation to Head: Grandson
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Lewisham, Kent, England
Civil Parish: St Mary Cray
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Cray
Town: St Mary Cray
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Bromley
Sub-registration District: Orpington
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 692
Folio: 44
Page Number: 6
Household schedule number: 29
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah Willard 55
Elvey Willard 23
Louise Willard 16
Edward Willard 15
Christopher Faithfull 4

????

Home Office: Calendar of prisons Transcription
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First name(s) Christopher
Last name Faithful
Age 25
Occupation Bricklayer
Birth year 1872
Year 1897
Session commencing day 07
Session commencing month Jan
Place Kent
Court -
Victim's first name(s)/alias Levi
Victim's last name Boswell
Victim 2 first name(s)/alias John Henry
Victim 2 last name Minter
Source A Calendar Of Prisoners Tried At The General Quarter Sessions Of The Peace
Series HO140
Piece number 176
Folio number -
Page number -
Record set Crime, Prisons & Punishment
Category Institutions & organisations
Record collection Prison registers
Collections from Great Britain

sentenced to 5 years for horse stealing
3 previous convictions for horse stealing

That's a great find Maddie.

2 victims..........I wonder what he did?

Ah, Horse Stealing.

same guy
received 5 years for horse stealing


Home Office: Calendar of prisons Transcription
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First name(s) Christopher
Last name Faithful
Age 33
Occupation Bricklayer
Birth year 1869
Year 1902
Session commencing day 10
Session commencing month Jul
Place Kent
Court Sessions House Maidstone
Victim's first name(s)/alias Phillip
Victim's last name Wakeman
Source A Calendar Of Prisoners Tried At The Assizes
Series HO140
Piece number 216
Folio number -
Page number -
Record set Crime, Prisons & Punishment
Category Institutions & organisations
Record collection Prison registers
Collections from Great Britain

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Home Office: Calendar of prisons Transcription
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First name(s) Christopher William
Last name Faithful
Age 38
Occupation Carman
Birth year 1869
Year 1907
Session commencing day 23
Session commencing month Nov
Place Middlesex
Court Westminster
Victim's first name(s)/alias -
Victim's last name -
Source A Calendar Of Prisoners Tried At The Intermediate Sessions Of The Peace
Series HO140
Piece number 259
Folio number -
Page number -
Record set Crime, Prisons & Punishment
Category Institutions & organisations
Record collection Prison registers
Collections from Great Britain
7 years imp

THat's why I asked about the occupation....I don't think the 1907 one is him. He is a serial horsestealer under various names and psuedonyms. And he appears to have been in prison from about 1893 whic

Jude

The sons birth registration......(Two LL's)


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Christopher Faithfull Name:Christopher Faithfull
Registration Year:1897
Registration Quarter:Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district:Lewisham
Inferred County:London
Volume:1d
Page:1211


England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005
about Christopher Faithfull Name:Christopher Faithfull
Spouse Name: Annie M Brigden
Date of Registration:Jul-Aug-Sep 1918
Registration district:Dartford
Inferred County:Kent
Volume Number:2a
Page Number:1568



England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
about Christopher Faithfull Name:Christopher Faithfull
Birth Date:20 Jan 1897
Date of Registration:Dec 1976
Age at Death:79
Registration district:Bexley
Inferred County:Greater London
Volume:11
Page:0396



England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
about Annie Matilda Faithfull Name:Annie Matilda Faithfull
Birth Date:6 May 1900
Date of Registration:Dec 1980
Age at Death:80
Registration district:Gravesend
Inferred County:Kent
Volume:16
Page:0830

If the horse stealer is him, Lord knows where he found time to marry and have a child lol! :-)

Jude

Not sure I agree with you Jude, if you look at the 1902 conviction he is a bricklayer - and the details tally with the full conviction list in 1907.

22/10/1891 given 12m for horse stealing, under the name Charles Davis
4/4/1893 given 16m for house breaking under name James Gardner
7/1/1897 5 yr + 2 yr police supervision for horse stealing (using Christopher Faithful)
3/7/1902 3 yr + 2 yr police supervision for horse stealing (Croydon court)
10/7/02 5 yr, concurrent with above (Maidstone assizes).
23/11/1907 7 yr + 3 yr supervision. (Now a carman)

Added: Although I agree, where did he find the time to marry & have kids :-D

This does cast some doubts as to his real name and place of birth, and whether he invented the father James. What would a jeweller be doing in India - he obviously wasn't military otherwise the birth would be coming up on FMP.

If the first recorded offence is him, then I wonder if that was his original name??

Yes one wonders whether it was indeed his real name.......

Jude

there are no indian births under either name that I can find or any baptisms with a father James
Another brick wall :-( :-( :-( :-(
Maddie