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Albert Frederick Currell

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rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 11 Sep 2014 21:00

Albert Street's sibling seem to have kept the surname Street. Most of them are on the 1911 census. Interestingly brother Ben is a Police Constable so hopefully Albert didn't do anything illegal to cause his name change lol.

Gee

Gee Report 11 Sep 2014 21:35

Hey Jude...I was being subtle ;-) <3

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 12 Sep 2014 06:21

Gins lol! It is quite an interesting thing though....just HOW does one go about finding out why?

Jude

Flip

Flip Report 12 Sep 2014 09:33

Just a suggestion, which may be completely off the wall - did he enlist in the military (under the name Street) and then desert sometime between the 1901 census and his marriage in 1910? I've come across a similar case on another thread - but his wife slipped up on one of the later birth registrations!

Or is there anything in the newspaper archives for him during the same period?

Flip

Flip Report 12 Sep 2014 09:39

There is an Albert Street, born c1884 who enlisted in Hanley, Staffs in 1902 - it's on FMP if someone could take a look.

Gee

Gee Report 12 Sep 2014 09:42

There is also a medal card at Ancestry but no useful information given

Added


British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920

Name:Albert F Street

Regiment or Corps:
Army Service Corps, Royal Fusiliers, Royal Irish Rifles, Labour Corps, Duke of Wellington's (West Riding) Regiment, Labour Corps

Regimental Number:
SS/7516, 143188, 47342, 426661, 49450, 627107

Other Records:
Search for 'Albert F Street' in other WWI collections

Flip

Flip Report 12 Sep 2014 10:13

Not sure on that one Gins, there was no mention of a middle name before his marriage and the 1911 census - and no births for an Albert F in Staffordshire.

Could he have added the Frederick at the same time he adopted the new surname??

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 12 Sep 2014 10:55

Flip, I think he added the Frederick when he changed his surname too. The problem is, if he changed his name once he probably did it again when he deserted his wife and children.

It is always possible that descendants of his siblings may know of his whereabouts. When my Gran's brother deserted his wife and children, he went off to Australia but kept in touch with my Gran but not his children. He died in Australia in 1929 and my Gran kept the letters from the lawyer regarding his estate. That's how I discovered he used his mother's maiden surname in Australia.

Flip

Flip Report 12 Sep 2014 11:02

Yes, likely he would have changed names again. I would still like to know what, if anything, is on the FMP record from 1902 for Albert Street, I just can't find it on ancestry or national archives.

A WW1 record, if there was one, would probably have been under the Currell name rather than Street.

Astra

Astra Report 12 Sep 2014 11:48

Unfortunately there are only a few pages on FMP and of course, the page with the family details on is not there. He is noted as labourer, single, working for a Mr. Loomas? and living in Hanley.

Flip

Flip Report 12 Sep 2014 12:06

Thanks Astra, does it give any indication of when he left or why by any chance?

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 12 Sep 2014 12:37

UK, Midlands and Various UK Trade Directories, 1770-1941 (Ancestry)
Name: Albert Fredk Currell
Region: Birmingham
Residence Year: 1921
Publication Title: 1921 Kelly's Directory of Birmingham
Occupation: Shopkeeper
Street address: 85 Douglas rd. Handsworth

(any idea of his occupation 1935?)


http://www.digitalhandsworth.org.uk/

(might be something on type of Shop 1921 above)

Chris :)

Astra

Astra Report 12 Sep 2014 13:12

Afraid not. He joined in the January of 1902 and was declared temporarily unfit in July 1902 and in November joined the Royal Horse and Field Artillery. Noted as of Good Character.
He was evidently working in a saw mill when he enlisted.and his address was 5 Hubert? Street Hanley.

Flip

Flip Report 12 Sep 2014 13:18

He was a wood sawer (as was his father) on 1901, but living in Vicar street so it does look like his record though.

Angela

Angela Report 12 Sep 2014 18:59

On Albert Frederick Currell's marriage certificate to Rachel Ellen Aston in 1910 it states Alfred Cleatus Currell as the father. His occupation was 'miller' and Albert's occupation was 'baker's assistant'

I'm still confused why everyone is researching 'Street' in my family tree...

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 12 Sep 2014 19:05

Angela, it's because at some point Alfred Cleatus Street" disappears and Alfred Cleatus Currell appears. It is almost inconceivable that they are two different people with such an unusual middle name. How you prove it and why it happened is not going to be easy but you have to be open to the possibility to be able to start comprehending :-)

Angela

Angela Report 12 Sep 2014 19:25

Thanks for that clarification - I clearly didn't pick that up from the posts I read. I researched my paternal tree and definitely came across the unexpected. I am open to any suggestions :-)

Angela

Angela Report 12 Sep 2014 19:39

So..I asked my mum if she'd ever heard the name 'Street' in connection with her Dad's tree - she knows I am researching the tree. I asked her last night and she said she'd have a think. I have just spoken to her and she said she had some vague recollection of hearing the name. She then had a 'lightbulb' moment and said yes, she's sure her mother told her one of the descendants changed their surname. I didn't plant this idea.
She is going to ring an elderly relative tonight and see if she can remember any details.

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 12 Sep 2014 20:16

Baptism
County Staffordshire
Place Wednesbury
Church Wednesbury Primitive Methodist Chapel
RegisterNumber 907
DateOfBirth 12 Jun 1894
BaptismDate 28 Jun 1894
Forename Henry
Sex M
FatherForename Alfred
MotherForename Emma
FatherSurname STREET
MotherSurname
Abode Camp Hill Lane Wednesbury
FatherOccupation Labourer

Baptism
County Staffordshire
Place Wednesbury
Church Wednesbury Primitive Methodist Chapel
RegisterNumber 973
DateOfBirth 02 May 1897
BaptismDate 03 Jun 1897
Forename May
Sex F
FatherForename Alfred
MotherForename Emma
FatherSurname STREET
MotherSurname
Abode Camphill Street
FatherOccupation Sawyer

(these could relate, 1901 posted by rootgatherer earlier)

Chris :)

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

Angela

Angela Report 15 Sep 2014 21:36

So, the birth certificate arrived for Alfred (Cleatus) Currell b1868

There is no 'Cleatus' on the certificate it's just Alfred.

Should I choose to pursue the 'Street' line of enquiry, order birth certificates etc. how do I tie it in with 'Currell' and the possible name change?

Unfortunately, the relative my mom was trying to contact was taken poorly and for the time being it isn't appropriate to ask about her father, Albert, or gfather Alfred Cleatus. I have made contact with a ggrandson of one Albert's brothers but he isn't in contact with his father. Lots of dead ends...

I suppose if I find a birth for Albert Frederick Street there may be a clue somewhere, a reference as to where 'Currell' came from - maybe a link to a mother's maiden name or something...