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No, no certificates. I'll look into getting those when my post arrives with the one I ordered...exciting!! :-)

I just asked her about certificates and she doesn't have any birth ones. I have sent for the 1886 birth certificate so I can ascertain his parents. I will have to send for the others too to tie it all up!

Hi Angela

I think I must be going nuts! I can't see a birth for a Albert Frederick Currell in 1886 :-S

Hi Gins. I can't either. Would it be possible the birth wasn't registered, even though not to do so was illegal? The marriage certificate in 1910 says he was 24...

1911 census says he was born in Bilston

Angela, I think the point Gins was making on page 1 was that it looks like Albert was actually born Albert Street son of Alfred Cleatus Street who sometimes used the surname Currell and sometimes Street.

That's it Roots

I was just confused when you said you were sending for birth certificate - 1886? Which birth certificate were you referring to?

Personally, I think we need to be looking at the surname 'Street'

Let's look at Alfred ( who actually uses the name Street, so where did Albert get Currell from?)

Name: Alfred Cletus Street
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 14 May 1847
Baptism Place: Most Holy Trinity, Bilston, Stafford, England
Father: Street
Mother: Maria Davis
FHL Film Number: 1966924
Reference ID: 192


1851

Name: Alfred Street
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Son
Father's Name: George Street
Mother's name: Maria Street
Gender: Male
Where born: Bilston, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Bilston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Bilston
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Wolverhampton
Sub-registration district: Bilston
ED, institution, or vessel: 1c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 87
Piece: 2021
Folio: 53
Page Number: 24
Household Members:
Name Age
George Street 36
Maria Street 36
Julia Street 13
Pamela Street 10
Adelaide Street 7
Charles Street 6
Alfred Street 3
Samuel Street 2
William Street 1 Mo
Thomas Davies 27
Sarah Hayward 24
Alfred White 26


1881

1881 England Census about Alfred Street
Name: Alfred Street
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Emma Street
Gender: Male
Where born: Bilston, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Bilston
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address: 2 Beckett St Cottage
Marital Status: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Gen. Labourer
Registration district: Wolverhampton
Sub-registration district: Bilston
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2815
Folio: 65
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
Alfred Street 35
Emma Street 28
Adalade Street 3
Alfred Street


1891

Name: Alfred Street
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emma Street
Gender: Male
Where born: Bilston, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Wednesbury
Ecclesiastical parish: Moxley All Saints
Town: Moxley
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: West Bromwich
Sub-registration district: Wednesbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2278
Folio: 46
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
Alfred Street 43
Emma Street 37
Fanny Street 13
Alfred Street 10
William Street 8
Albert Street 5
Benjamin Street 4
Florana Street 1


1901

Name: Alfred Street
Age: 58
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Emma Street
Birth Place: Bilston, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Wednesbury
Ecclesiastical parish: Wood Green St Paul
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: West Bromwich
Sub-registration district: Wednesbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2729
Folio: 37
Page Number: 29
Household schedule number: 178
Household Members:
Name Age
Alfred Street 58
Emma Street 49
Alfred Street 20
William Street 18
Albert Street 16
Benjamin Street 14
Florrie Street 12
Voilet Street 10
Henry Street 6
Mary Street 3


Not seeing Alfred in 1861 or 1871 at the moment, nor his marriage to Emma

Hmmm...I'm not fully grasping all this, sorry. Why does 'Street' come into my search..? What's happened to 'Currell'? Albert gets Currell from Alfred Cleatus Currell who is on the marriage certificate in 1910...

Hi Angela

What birth certificate have you sent for (1886)

We need to find out why there was a variation of names Street/Currell

But the only Alfred Cleatus showing is Street not Currell. And Albert Frederick Currell b. 1886 in Bilston only shows up on the 1911 census and the marriage to Rachel!

I sent for alfred currell b1868 in shipston on stour. I found this on someone elses tree but it wasn't sourced that's why I sent for it

This one?

Name: Alfred Currell
Registration Year: 1868
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Shipston on Stour
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 599


Well let's see if we can follow him.

Hi Angela

I thought you said you sent for a birth certificate in1886?

Can you tell us any more info about the family and where you got back from please

:-)

This is Alfred 1868, but how does he fit in?


1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Blockley, Shipston on Stour, Warwickshire, England
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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Emanewell Currell Head - Male 34 1837 - Oxfordshire, England
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Mary Currell Wife - Female 44 1827 - Worcestershire, England
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Sharlot Currell Daughter - Female 13 1858 - Worcestershire, England
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Emma Currell Daughter - Female 10 1861 - Worcestershire, England
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Amelia Currell Daughter - Female 17 1854 - Worcestershire, England
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Alfred Currell Son - Male 3 1868 - Worcestershire, England



1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Draycott, Blockley (Worcs), Shipston on Stour, Warwickshire, England
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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Emanuel Currell Head Widower Male 44 1837 Ag Lab Littleworth, Worcestershire, England
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Alfred Currell Son Single Male 12 1869 Ag Lab Draycott, Worcestershire, England

Just to stick my oar in...it seems almost inconceivable that Alfred Cleatus Street and Currell are not one and the same.

So obviously the thing to sort is when (and if possible why - thought this is a big ask) the name change happened. Or did they assume dual identities???

Jude

Alfred Cleatus Street's death, so it seems only Albert changed his name, if indeed it is him.


England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription
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First name(s) ALFRED C
Last name STREET
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1847
Age 78
Death quarter 2
Death year 1925
District WEST BROMWICH
County Staffordshire
Volume 6B
Page 878

Thinking out loud.

Alfred Cleatus Street appears on the 1851, 1881, 1891, 1901 and 1911 census using the surname Street. He uses the same name on his second marriage in 1903?

Not seeing his first marriage to Emma or finding him in 1861 or 1871 census. I did wonder if Currell was Emma's maiden name and if, for some reason Albert decided to use his mother's name. Not unheard of. My great uncle did that but it was because he had left his wife and children here and emigrated to Australia with another"wife".

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Private House, Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Alfred C Street Head - Male 23 1848 labourer at pits, Bilston Staffordshire, England
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Emma Jones - - Female 18 1853 - W Hampton Staffordshire, England

Snap!

Alviegal, just spotted a tree with Emma's surname as Jones.