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RobertD

RobertD Report 8 May 2014 19:05

HI, Very new to this hobby and GR, managed to trace my family back to my Great grandfather using census records, but now want to go further back in time,, before 1857, date of his birth, what is the correct way to trace his parents and there address,
so not to make any assumptions, as I can see there are others with the same name and birth date within a few miles, and it would be guessing to use these, (Henry Dyson,born 1857,of Shelley, nr Huddersfield,---married toAnnDyson, occ Boot maker

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 8 May 2014 19:17

Hi Robert and welcome to the boards.


If this is him in the 1881 census.......he has his Mother Betty with him and Brother William K Dyson...

1881 England Census
about Henry Dyson Name:Henry Dyson
Age:24
Estimated birth year:abt 1857
Relationship to Head:Head
Spouse:Ann Dyson
Mother:Betty Dyson
Gender:Male
Where born:Shelley, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish:Shelley
County/Island:Yorkshire
Country:England
Street address:Shelley Near Bank
Marital Status:Married

Household Members:


Henry Dyson 24
Ann Dyson 24
William Hy. Dyson 10 months
Betty Dyson 66 (Mother) Widow....Shelley Yorkshire
William K. Dyson 21 (Brother) Woolen Warper....Shelley Yorkshire

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 8 May 2014 19:23

1871 England Census
about Henry Dyson Name:
Henry Dyson
Age:14
Estimated birth year:
abt 1857
Relation:Son
Mother's name:Betty Dyson
Gender:Male
Where born:Shelley, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish:Shelley
Ecclesiastical parish:Shelley
Town:Shelley
County/Island:Yorkshire
Country:England
Registration district:Huddersfield
Sub-registration district:Kirkburton


Household Members:

Betty Dyson 55 (Widow)
Henry Dyson 14 (Boot Shoe Maker)
William Dyson 11



1861 England Census
about Henry Dyson Name:Henry Dyson
Age:5
Estimated birth year:1856
Relation:Son
Father's Name:Thomas Dyson
Mother's name:Betty Dyson
Gender:Male
Where born:Shelley, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish:Shelley
Town:Shelley
County/Island:Yorkshire
Country:England

Household Members:

Thomas Dyson 44 (Ag Lab) Emley Yorkshire
Betty Dyson 46
Jonathan Lockwood 19 >>>>Wife's Son
Henry Dyson 5
William Dyson 1

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 8 May 2014 19:33

England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
about Henry Dyson Name:Henry Dyson
Gender:Male
Baptism Date:21 May 1856
Baptism Place:Kirkburton, York, England
Father: Thomas Dyson (Labourer) Abode Shelley
Mother: Betty Dyson
FHL Film Number:993690

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 8 May 2014 19:58

If I am on the right track???

Going by the wife's son Jonathan Lockwood.........

Marriages Dec 1855 (>99%)
DYSON Thomas Huddersfield 9a 394
LOCKWOOD Betty Huddersfield 9a 394


West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1935
about Thomas Dyson (Bachelor) Farmer.....Thorncliffe
Birth Year:abt 1817
Age:38
Marriage or Bann Date:4 Nov 1855
Parish:Kirkburton, All Hallows
Father's Name:William Dyson (Cooper)
Spouse's Name:Betty Lockwood
Spouse's Father's Name:Thomas Kershaw (Clothier)
Witnesses: William (Parkin?) and George Kershaw


Thomas Dyson's baptism...



West Yorkshire, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1910
about Thomas Dyson Name:Thomas Dyson
Parish:Emley, St Michael
Baptism Date:25 Dec 1817
Father's Name:William Dyson (Cooper)
Mother's name:Mary Dyson

Thomas in 1851....


1851 England Census
about Thomas Dyson Name:Thomas Dyson
Age:34
Estimated birth year:abt 1817
Relation:Son
Mother's name:Mary Dyson
Gender:Male
Where born:Emley, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish:Kirkburton
Ecclesiastical parish:Kirkburton
County/Island:Yorkshire
Country:England
Registration district:Huddersfield
Sub-registration district:Newmill

Household Members:

Mary Dyson 60 (Widow) Farmer of 11 Acres.....Born Flockton
Thomas Dyson 34 (Farmer Labourer)
Henry Dyson 28 (Fancy Weaver)
Res: Thorncliffe

Henry's baptsm...

West Yorkshire, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1910
about Henry Dyson Name:Henry Dyson
Parish:Emley, St Michael
Baptism Date:20 Oct 1822
Father's Name:Willm Dyson (Cooper)
Mother's name:Mary Dyson


Betty with son Jonathan in 1851.....


1851 England Census
about Jonathan Lockwood Name:Jonathan Lockwood
Age:9
Estimated birth year:abt 1842
Relation:Son
Mother's name:Betty Lockwood
Gender:Male
Where born:Shelley, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish:Kirkburton
Town:Shelley
County/Island:Yorkshire
Country:England
Registration district:Huddersfield
Sub-registration district:Newmill

:Household Members:

Betty Lockwood 36 (Widow)
Mary Lockwood 18
Joah Lockwood 15
Jonathan Lockwood 9
John Kershaw 20 (Lodger)<<<<<<<Interesting! A Relative?





PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 8 May 2014 20:15

1841 England Census
about Bethy Lockwood >>>>>Betty on the image
Age:25
Estimated birth year:abt 1816
Gender:Female
Where born:Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish:Kirk Burton
Hundred:Agbrigg (Upper Division)
County/Island:Yorkshire
Country:England
Registration district:Huddersfield
Sub-registration district:Kirkburton

Household Members:

Jonn Lockwood 32 (Factory Weaver)
Bethy Lockwood 25
Mary Lockwood 8
Jock Lockwood 5
Thomas Lockwood 2

On the image, Jonn........looks more like Jon with a squiggle, which might indicate that his name was actually Jonathan.

4 possible deaths registered for a Jonathan Lockwood in Huddersfield between 1841 and 1851 which you can check out on this free site.....

www.freebmd.org.uk


alviegal

alviegal Report 8 May 2014 20:19

fmp version

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Print this page View image
First Name BETTY
Last Name LOCKWOOD
Age 25
Year Of Birth 1816
Gender Female
Occupation -
House Number -
House Name -
Street SHELLEY BANK
Parish KIRKBURTON
City -
Town SHELLEY
Registration District HUDDERSFIELD
County Yorkshire, Yorkshire (West Riding)
Country ENGLAND
Birth County YORKSHIRE
Archive Reference HO107
Schedule 1943
Piece Number 1277
Folio 41
Page 11

JONN LOCKWOOD 30 1811
Image Transcription
BETTY LOCKWOOD 25 1816
Image Transcription
MARY LOCKWOOD 8 1833
Image Transcription
JOAH LOCKWOOD 5 1836
Image Transcription
THOMAS LOCKWOOD 2 1839

alviegal

alviegal Report 8 May 2014 20:22


Huddersfield Baptisms Transcription
First Name JOAH
Last Name LOCKWOOD
Country England
Record set Huddersfield Baptisms
County Yorkshire
Year 1836
Mother's Given Name Betty
Father's First Name Jonathan
First Names Joah
Month May
Year Of Birth 1835
Address Shelley
Place KIRKBURTON
Birth Day 15
Birth Month May
Birth Year 1835
Year 1836
Chapelry -
Description All Hallows
Father Occupation Weaver
Day 30



Huddersfield Baptisms Transcription
First Name THOMAS
Last Name LOCKWOOD
Country England
Record set Huddersfield Baptisms
County Yorkshire
Year 1838
Mother's Given Name Betty
Father's First Name Jonathan
First Names Thomas
Month Oct
Year Of Birth 1838
Address Shelley
Place KIRKBURTON
Birth Day -
Birth Month -
Birth Year -
Year 1838
Chapelry -
Description All Hallows
Father Occupation Weaver
Day 08

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 8 May 2014 20:24

As Robert is a new member I will send him a message to let him know he has received replies.

He can then let us know if we are on the right track.

Prickles. :-)

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 8 May 2014 20:29

Ah, so the Fathers name is Jonathan.

Jolly good!

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 8 May 2014 20:38

West Yorkshire, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1910
about Mary Lockwood Name:Mary Lockwood
Birth Date:7 Jan 1833
Parish:Kirkburton, All Hallows
Baptism Date:7 Apr 1833
Father's Name:Jonathan Lockwood (Fancy? Factory? Weaver) Abode Shelley
Mother's name:Betty Lockwood

safc

safc Report 8 May 2014 21:04

Thomas Dyson, "England Marriages, 1538–1973 "
Name: Thomas Dyson
Birth Date: 1817
Birthplace:
Age: 38
Spouse's Name: Betty Lockwood
Spouse's Birth Date: 1815
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age: 40
Event Date: 04 Nov 1855
Event Place: Parish Church Of Kirkburton, York, England
Father's Name: William Dyson
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name: Thomas Hershaw
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I03078-8
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 993693
Reference ID: 176

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 8 May 2014 21:07

??


West Yorkshire, Non-Conformist Records, 1646-1985
about Jonathan Lockwood Name:Jonathan Lockwood
Birth Date:10 Apr 1810
Event Type:Baptism
Father:Thomas Lockwood
Mother:Hannah Lockwood
Baptism Date:31 Jul 1810
Archive Location:Kirklees
Parish or Chapel:Kirkburton
Residence Place:Shelley
Reel Number:
Huddersfield, Kirkburton, Marsden, Paddock, Shelley, Soothill; K 6

safc

safc Report 8 May 2014 21:09

Betty Kershaw, "England Marriages, 1538–1973 "
Name: Jonathan Lockwood
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Age:
Spouse's Name: Betty Kershaw
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age:
Event Date: 06 Jan 1833
Event Place: Kirkburton, York, England
Father's Name:
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name:
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I03318-9
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 990702
Reference ID: yr 1821-1837 p 1

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 8 May 2014 21:12

England & Wales, Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial Registers, 1567-1970
about Betty Hershaw Name:Betty Hershaw
Birth Date:15 Nov 1814
Birth Place:Kirkburton, Yorkshire, England
Gender:Female
Event Type:Birth
Father:Thomas Hershaw
Mother:Mary Hershaw
Denomination:Independent
Piece Title:
Piece 3396: Kirkburton, Upper Church (Independent), 1795-1823

Edit: It seems there is a discrepancy between Hershaw and Kershaw!



England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
about William Kershaw Dyson Name:William Kershaw Dyson
Gender:Male
Baptism Date:25 Dec 1859
Baptism Place:Kirkburton, York, England
Father: Thomas Dyson
Mother: Betty
FHL Film Number:993691
Reference ID:yr 1857-1867


Marriages Dec 1883 (>99%)
CARTWRIGHT Elizabeth Huddersfield 9a 680
DYSON William Kershaw Huddersfield 9a 680



1911 England Census
about William Kershaw Dyson Name:William Kershaw Dyson
Age in 1911:51
Estimated birth year:abt 1860
Relation to Head:Head
Gender:Male
Birth Place:Shelley, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish:Shelley
County/Island:Yorkshire-West Riding
Country:England
Street address:Shelley
Marital Status:Married .....27 Years
Occupation:Sub Postmaster
Registration district:Huddersfield
Registration District Number:495
Sub-registration district:Kirkburton

Household Members:

William Kershaw Dyson 51
Elizabeth Dyson 54
Emily Lee 46 (Sister) Widow
Ivy Lee 18 (Niece)

(No children born to the marriage)

Emily is Elizabeth's sister who married Ben Lee in 1887


Marriages Jun 1887 (>99%)
Cartwright Emily Huddersfield 9a 528
Lee Ben Huddersfield 9a 528



West Yorkshire, England, Deaths and Burials, 1813-1985
about William Kershaw Dyson Name:William Kershaw Dyson
Birth Year:abt 1859
Parish:Shelley, Emmanuel
Abode: Town End Shelley
Burial Date:4 Jun 1936
Burial Age:77


Wife Elizabeth's death...


West Yorkshire, England, Deaths and Burials, 1813-1985
about Elizabeth Dyson Name:Elizabeth Dyson
Birth Year:abt 1857
Parish:Shelley, Emmanuel
Burial Date:6 Feb 1915
Burial Age:58

alviegal

alviegal Report 8 May 2014 21:12

There is a tree on ancestry with all this information so looks like we have the correct line.


Thomas Kershaw

No Mother



Betty Kershaw
Birth abt 1815 in Shelley, Yorkshire, England

Jonathan Lockwood
1807 – 1843

Mary Lockwood
1833 –

Joah Lockwood
1836 –

Jonathan Lockwood
1842 –

Thomas Dyson
1817 – 1879

Henry Dyson
1857 –

William Kershaw Dyson
1859 – 1936

alviegal

alviegal Report 8 May 2014 21:16

From ancestry

West Yorkshire, Non-Conformist Records, 1646-1985 about Betty Kershaw
Name: Betty Kershaw
Birth Date: 15 Nov 1814
Event Type: Baptism
Father: Thomas Kershaw
Mother: Mary Kershaw
Baptism Date: Oct 1814
Archive Location: Kirklees
Parish or Chapel: Shelley
Reel Number: Huddersfield, Kirkburton, Marsden, Paddock, Shelley, Soothill; K 6


Her birth is on https://familysearch.org

RobertD

RobertD Report 8 May 2014 21:21

Thanks to all for this helpful information, will take me a while to decipher!!

regards Robert

RobertD

RobertD Report 8 May 2014 21:21

Thanks to all for this helpful information, will take me a while to decipher!!

regards Robert

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 8 May 2014 21:25

Good to see you found your way back to this thread Robert.

Take your time to decipher the info........and let us know if you think we are on the right track.

Prickles.