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Hi JoonieCloonie

Thanks for the information. When Mary Dafforne married John Barling in 1773 the witnesses were James and Benjamin Dafforne - possibly her elder brothers? In 1795 a John Dafforne died, was buried in Chatham on 5 July and left a will mentioning niece Mary, wife of John Barling. The will was proved 10th August, 1795, at the Prerogative Court of Canterbury.

All the information points to Mary being the child of a brother of John Dafforne or the illigitimate daughter of a sister of John. Therefore the parents of John must be the grandparents of Mary. Until further records are transcribed I will have to make do with trying to trace back to her grandparents.

All thoughts, ideas, opinions, clues or even information will be very gratefully received!

from freereg, but no Joseph marriage 1710-1730


County Kent
Place (link for place information) Chatham
Church name St Mary the Virgin
Register type Archdeacon's Transcripts
Marriage date 27 Nov 1729
Groom forename James
Groom surname DAFFRON
Bride forename Margaret
Bride surname KIGETT
Register note Cityark image 00010446

but no Joseph marriage in Chatham.

Looking for Dafforn(e)s in Chatham at familysearch, we may see siblings of Mary, and they could lead to parent info.

https://tinyurl.com/yc5uegxq

There are births to James Dafforne and Margaret, and marriages of those children.

baptisms to that couple in Chatham:

Ann 1730
John 1731
Middlemore James 1736
Humphrey Benjamin 1743
John Reddick 1744 (possibly actually Keddick/Kiddick?)
Margaret 1746
Elizabeth Kiddick 1748

On the other hand there were baptisms of children of Joseph and Anne in Chatham:

James 1730
Ann 1733
Joseph 1734
Sapience 1735
Benjamin 1740

One would think that with all those recorded baptisms, Mary would have shown up somewhere!

Fathers James and Joseph certainly look like brothers. Might they have married before settling in Chatham, and had older children in the place of marriage?

Before that generation the surname seems to be localized in Warwickshire with a little spillover to Gloucestershire and Staffordshire.

Yet more - have now found John Barling's baptism, the marriage of his parents Henry Barling and Martha Housely in Rochester, Kent, on 7th May, 1749 and also the baptism of his mother Martha in the dockyard church, Sheerness, 6th Jan. 1730. Martha's baptism gives her parents as Douglas Housely and Ann Wiles. They married 24th Dec. 1725 in St. Margaret's, Canterbury. Douglas, a sail maker, died in 1732, and was buried in Minster, Kent.

All I need now is Mary Dafforne's birth, and the birth of Douglas Housely and Ann Wiles.

Will all this ever end? I do hope not!

At long last another small step:-

From FreeReg -

30th November, 1812. - St. Mary Magdalen, Gillingham, Kent.

John Jackson, batchelor, OTP

Phoebe Caroline Barling, spinster OTP

witnesses - John and Mary Hastings


Now need to find birth of Phoebe's mother Mary Dafforne and father John Barling and also find out who the witnesses were.

Once again many thanks for all your help and just keep searching.

Wow, many thanks for all the additional information! Both the happy couple and their witnesses seemed to be literate, perhaps a little unusual at that time.

From various trees on Ancestry both John and Mary Barling died in 1805 but there is no source given for these facts. The parents of John are recorded as Henry Barling and Martha Housely but once again no source is given.

Cannot yet find a birth for Mary Dafforne but having traced Phoebe Caroline with only the crossed out name on her marriage record and the "Daffen" as the fourth name of her eldest daughter to the Brigden marriage anything is possible.

Many thanks again for all the help.

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Death of Mary (Dafforne) Barling?

Place Chatham
Church name St Mary the Virgin
Register type
Register entry number 408
Burial date 09 Jul 1822
Person age 69
Burial person forename Mary
Burial person surname BARLING
Burial person abode Chatham

Yes - this is the image for the Barling-Dafforne marriage
http://tiny.cc/1e8c6x

Freereg version of the baptisms

Note – AT stands for Archdeacons Transcripts

Field Value
County KEN
Place Chatham
Church name St Mary the Virgin
Register type AT
Baptism date 04 Oct 1776
Person forename Mary Ann
Person sex F
Father forename John
Father surname BARLING
Mother forename Mary

County KEN
Place Chatham
Church name St Mary the Virgin
Register type AT
Baptism date 18 Aug 1782
Person forename Martha
Person sex F
Father forename John
Father surname BARLING
Mother forename Mary

County KEN
Place Chatham
Church name St Mary the Virgin
Register type AT
Baptism date 23 Nov 1783
Person forename Ann
Person sex F
Father forename John
Father surname BARLING
Mother forename Mary

County KEN
Place Chatham
Church name St Mary the Virgin
Register type AT
Baptism date 15 Jan 1786
Person forename Fanny
Person sex F
Father forename John
Father surname BARLING
Mother forename Mary


County KEN
Place Chatham
Church name St Mary the Virgin
Register type AT
Baptism date 25 Nov 1787
Person forename Polly
Person sex F
Father forename John
Father surname BARLING
Mother forename Mary

County KEN
Place Chatham
Church name St Mary the Virgin
Register type AT
Baptism date 01 Jan 1790
Person forename Ann
Person sex F
Father forename John
Father surname BARLING
Mother forename Mary

Field Value
County KEN
Place Chatham
Church name St Mary the Virgin
Register type AT
Baptism date 07 Dec 1794
Person forename Nathaniel Joseph
Person sex M
Father forename John
Father surname BARLING
Mother forename Mary

County KEN
Place Chatham
Church name St Mary the Virgin
Register type AT
Baptism date 08 Jan 1797
Person forename Phebe Caroline
Person sex F
Father forename John
Father surname BARLING
Mother forename Mary

As the interest was in Phebe Caroline, her baptism is here
http://tiny.cc/u1be6x

ah I see ... I think. ;)

this is the parish record for the Barling - Dafforne marriage (again no image there so maybe at the City Ark site too)

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5VG-5PG

tinyurl is defying me at the moment so this link has to be copied and pasted together

edit 19 nov - tinyurl tab reopened with the link: http://tinyurl.com/q394sg3

showing all baptisms (saving copying all the details into this thread)

Mary Ann 1776
Martha 1782
Ann 1783
Fanny 1786
Polly 1787
Ann 1790
Nathaniel Joseph 1794
Phebe Caroline 1797

JoonieCloonie - It's probably on Medway CityArk.

My previous post highlighted the wrong Church. It's the one in Chatham, not the Rochester one

The PR for the diocese of Rochester are being transcribed for Freereg.co.uk.
It's a fantastic finding-tool and gives far more detail from the images than Familysearch.

http://www.freereg.org.uk/search_queries/new

Both freereg and MCA are free to use without the need to register.

yes, that is the baptism my post that started it was about :-)

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N6V2-J3X

no image there unfortunately

Picking up on the earlier baptism for Peobe - freereg's version

Field Value
County KEN
Place Chatham
Church name St Mary the Virgin
Register type AT
Baptism date 08 Jan 1797
Person forename Phebe Caroline
Person sex F
Father forename John
Father surname BARLING
Mother forename Mary

You can probably find the image on
http://cityark.medway.gov.uk/
To the left of the page is a subheading Parish Registers on line

Find the listing for Rochester, Cathedral Church of Christ and the Blessed Virgin Mary
Then the correct record set
Its possibly amongst
Composite register: baptisms 1657-1810; marriages 1695-1754; burials 1661-1812 and 633 [sic] -1724
EDIT....EDIT

Wrong church mentioned above.
The one you need to look at on Medway CityArk is
Chatham, St. Mary the Virgin CMB 1568-1974

Page through at your leisure!

The image is on Medway City Ark

http://tiny.cc/1e8c6x

In case you are confused, John is from Sheerness (Sheernefs)

well my goodness, blast from the past ... on rereading I think I -almost- follow what I did :-)

that certainly makes sense ... I think!

yes indeed - try, try and try again :-)

Firstly, many many thanks to Joonie Cloonie! From her suggestion of the name BARLING I started looking at the Barling family and found the following on a submitted tree on Familysearch.org:-

11th September, 1773, St. Nicholas, Rochester, Kent, England, the marriage between
John Barling and Mary DAFFORNE

There is also more information regarding John's ancesters.

Just keep on searching - never give up - they are all there somewhere!

Once again - thanks

For info. about 'recommender':

Women were admitted in the last month of their pregnancy - they were only permitted to stay for three weeks - and needed a letter of recommendation from a subscriber (patients were not charged by the Hospital) and an affidavit of their marriage and their husband's settlement.

Lying- in hospital record is on ancestry.

Still wondering what "Settlement : New Castle " meant in hospital records.

Is this where Phebe is from or where she was going after discharge

and what is " Recommender : Sarah Dolby " all about ?

just to stick my oar in, could anyone else read the name on the marriage record as BARLING ?

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N6V2-J3X

Name: Phebe Caroline Barling
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 08 Jan 1797
Christening Place: Chatham, Kent, England
Father's Name: John Barling
Mother's Name: Mary
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C02178-8

brother Nathaniel Joseph 1794
... actually possibly numerous other children 1776 to 1797 in Chatham

wrong area though ... but possibly a place to have met a seaman perhaps in the navy?

however several people have both this Phoebe and this Nathaniel and the others in their trees here at genesreunited

I'm actually tempted to read it as Anthony :-)


I suspect Phoebe Barbey is Barber

Joseph Barber and Catherine had other children baptised 1801, 1808, 1810 in Lambeth


also for info re son John Lloyd Jackson

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JM4G-VFJ

has dob as 3 April 1818, christened 4 July 1821

whereas Mary Daffen Jackson was born 17 August 1819 and christened 25 December 1820

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J39D-668

unusual for the child born earlier to be christened later ?

possibly John Lloyd was not a son of John Jackson and Phoebe took the opportunity to christen him after John's death ... although still why not at the same time as Mary?


ah ... the christening of Mary at the lying-in hospital would likely be because the child was not expected to live, I think - a 'private christening'

christenings were not supposed to be re-done in that case but many were

Hi Chris

From a contact it appears that the second wife of Richard - Alice Nowland was also known as "Hales". Alice and Richard married in 1845 in Greenwich.

Deaths Jun 1839 (>99%)
-------------------------------------------------------------
BRIGDEN Alfred Richard Greenwich 5 143


Baptism
County Kent
Place Plumstead
Church St Nicholas
RegisterNumber 1128
DateOfBirth 08 Dec 1838
BaptismDate 24 Feb 1839
Forename Alfred Richard
Sex M
FatherForename Richard
MotherForename Hales
FatherSurname BRIGDEN
MotherSurname
Abode Plumstead
FatherOccupation Labourer

(not sure Hales?)


http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

(from above, also below)


Baptisms 24 Jul 1831 BRIGDEN Charles Kent Plumstead Father Surname
Baptisms 30 Oct 1831 BRIGDEN Caroline Ann Kent Plumstead Father Surname
Baptisms 26 May 1833 BREGDEN Harriet Kent Plumstead Father Surname

Chris :)