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My gt.gt. grandparents Phoebe Caroline ? and Richard Brigden married on 29nd August, 1822, at St. Marys, Lambeth. When she signed the register Phoebe wrote another name before the Jackson and then crossed this out. What was this name? Could it have been the same as the first witness Robt. B......... also can anyone read the name of the second witness?

I have only recently seen the original information and found it by going on to Ancestry.co.uk - then search - public member trees - imputting Richard's name, the place and date of wedding and then looking at a tree named Brigden family. Under source information for the wedding there is the original document.

Their eldest daughter was christened Elizabeth Mary Ann Daffen Brigden but I cannot find the surmane Daffen in any part of Richard's history.

Many thanks in anticipation.

Witness surname looks like Barber to me. Sorry ca't make out the name crossed out after Pheby and before Jackson.

Daffen could be in the mother's 'history'

Name:
Phoebe Caroline Jackson ( widow)

Spouse Name: Richard Bridgen <<<< note spelling ( BRIGDEN ON ORIGINAL)

Record Type:Marriage

Event Date:29 Aug 1822

Parish:Lambeth St Mary

Borough:Lambeth

Register Type:Parish Register

I have submitted the alternative spelling to ancestry, but am unable to work out what the names are. However, I do not think the witness name - which could be Barber - is the same as the crossed-out name. Which could even be Birthday or many other names, it does appear to have an extra twizzle.

could this be her death


England, Select Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991 about Phoebe Brigden
Name: Phoebe Brigden
Gender: Female
Age: 66
Birth Date: 1803
Burial Date: 27 Apr 1869
Burial Place: St. Giles, Camberwell, Surrey, England
FHL Film Number: 254580
Reference ID: it8, p277

1841

1841 England Census about Phoebe Brigdon
Name: Phoebe Brigdon
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1805
Gender: Female
Where born: Surrey, England

Civil Parish: St Giles Camberwell
Hundred: Brixton (Eastern Division)
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: Peckham
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1051
Book: 5
Folio: 26
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
Stephen Stone 27
Charlotte Stone 26
Hannah Stone 4
Sarah Stone 2
Henry Brigdon 28
Phoebe Brigdon 36
Eleanor Brigdon 12

is this Richard

Name: Richard Brigden
Event Type: Death
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration Year: 1869
Registration District: Lambeth
County: London
Event Place: Lambeth, London, England
Age (available after 1866): 64
Birth Year (Estimated): 1805
Volume: 1D
Page: 285
Line Number: 133

if she was born circa 1803/5 she would have been very young at her ist marraige

possibilities

Name: Phoebe Barbey
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 21 Jul 1805
Christening Place: St Mary's, Lambeth, Surrey, England
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Joseph Barbey
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Cathe.
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I03224-1
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 1595090
Reference ID:

Phoebe Graham

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

christening: 19 May 1805 St Mary's, Lambeth, Surrey, England

father: Robt. Graham

Hi Maddie

Thanks for your information but I have the death of Phoebe in 1836, buial 6/11/1836 at Woolwich Methodist Chapel, from Lucks Lane, Plumstead Common. Three of her children were baptised in Plumstead and another William (1835 - 1837), her youngest, was buried in Woolwich. This all seems to put the family in the same area for a number of years.

The other Phoebe has caused a number of problems - when I first found her death in 1869 it seemed to suggest that Richard Brigden was a bigamist! He re-married in 1845.

I have never managed to find the marriage of the other Phoebe to Henry Brigdon nor the birth of their daughter Eleanor.

Many thanks

Not sure that death is Phoebe Caroline.
Looks like Richard was a widower by 1841


Name:
Caroline Ann Brigden

Record Type:Baptism
Baptism Date:30 Oct 1831

Father's Name:Richard Brigden
Mother's name:Phoebe Caroline Brigden

Parish or Poor Law Union:Plumstead St Nicholas

Borough:Greenwich

Register Type:Parish Registers
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1841

Name:
Caroline Bridgen
[Caroline Brigden]
Age:10
Estimated birth year:abt 1831

Where born:Kent, England

Civil Parish:Charlton Next Woolwich
Hundred:Blackheath
County/Island:Kent

Registration district:Greenwich
Sub-registration district:Woolwich Arsenal



Richard Bridgen 40- Painter - Not from County
Charles Bridgen 12
Caroline Bridgen 10
Harriett Bridgen 8

Children all born in County

Hi Maddie

Sorry should have added her age was given at 40 years at death making birth about
1796.

Name:
Richard Brigden

Christening Date:17 Nov 1797
Christening Place:Withyham, Sussex, England

Father's Name:Solomon Brigden
Mother's name:Elizabeth

I know that you say 'your' Phoebe was born c 1796 but I DO like that post above from Maddie :

"Name: Phoebe Barbey
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 21 Jul 1805
Christening Place: St Mary's, Lambeth, Surrey, England"

because that is what I read that crossed out word as! - either that or Barley which I thought the witness Robert signed.

There must be something in this.

Have to cook lunch just now but will be back later.

Dea x

Hi Mike

Yes, the birth in 1797 is that of Richard and also the death in 1869.

Thanks

Someone take a look at this, not convinced it says Martha on the record



London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name:
Martha Barber ?

Spouse Name:
Christopher Jackson

Record Type:Marriage

Event Date:8 Aug 1817

Parish:Lambeth St Mary

Borough:Lambeth

Register Type:Parish Register

Looks like Martha to me but you never know !

I wonder if the crossed out name in 1822 is Phoebe writing Brigden by mistake

Unfortunately is DOES say Martha Ginns :-( :-(

Dea x

On a second look, it maybe does say Martha!

If she was born in 1805, she would have been mighty young to have married before the 1822 marriage

maybe she was christened later, there is no dob given