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seeing your post in Sheila's very old thread ...

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/395254

I had another search around ... wondering about whether maybe she did call herself Connie

I can't find a birth that would account for this death

Name: Connie Freda Byford
Birth Date: 17 May 1905
Date of Registration: Mar 1975
Age at Death: 69
Registration district: Cheltenham
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 22
Page: 1660


edit and I will leave this here for just ruling out

she was born Connie Fr*i*eda Allis 1905

ah yes, sorry, I had looked at the member name and not at how she signed

I guess the main thing is that I'm the one who seems to have gone off in the wrong direction so I don't want to be the one bringing somebody else's family into the mix :-)

Edited as requested, JoonieCloonie - although her name is clearly stated on the other thread.
Also on another thread about the same family:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/general_topics/thread/395254

Argyll Gran, I had not seen that thread, but that is the person (Freda Caroline Jones) I referred to as being in that member's tree here ... I didn't think it fair or necessary to post the other member's full name here (where it can be found by search engines, and remember we are talking about sensitive family matters) ... maybe you would edit ?

the person who wrote that message is indeed descended from the 1925 marriage of Freda C Jones I referred to above

however ... now on reading that thread I fear I may indeed have gone off in the wrong direction

the Freda C Jones who married in 1925 in Birmingham is very likely the Caroline Freda Jones born 1903 in Kings Norton

it was worth consideration but I think this has ruled out that marriage and family

so Heather Ann I would like to delete the information I posted because it seems not to be your family and it is someone else's

would you copy it down for yourself just in case I'm mistaken about that and let us know when you have done that, so I can remove it from this thread?

thank you and sorry that idea didn't work out, one of those wrong turns that was worth investigating but led to a dead end

Thank you so much for all your suggestions. Im new at this.

Old thread with no helpful info, but maybe the person who posted the request is a relative of yours, Heather Ann?
If you don't recognise the name, you could try clicking on her name and sending her a PM, in case she has any other relevant information. (She won't be looking for replies on her thread after so long - and didn't even come back to it then!)

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/general_topics/thread/941516

Going back to the 1911 census, Mike* is right that Llewellyn is missing, and I couldn't find a birth record to match the 7 yr old Clifford on the census record in Winchcomb.

However I now note Llewellyn's third name began with a 'C'

Births Sep 1902 Jones Llewellyn Edward C Winchcomb 6a 432

So is 'Clifford', actually Llewellyn?

Ie is Llewellyn's full name Llewellyn Edward Clifford Jones?

Admittedly if he is, his age is a bit out on the census.

You've really worked hard on bringing this family forward, JoonieCloonie, lets hope Heather Ann finds all this information illuminating. :-)

edit

further info deleted as explained above

what a good sleuthing job to read :-)

looking to find news of Freda/Connie after Heather Ann's mother's birth still ... I think?

daughter born 1925 Winchcombe but HA mentions her being brought up in Worcester

Freda Cornwall Jones was the first and no other Freda C Jones until
1912 Toxteth Park
1915 Aston
1916 Cardiff (Freda CM)

so the Freda C Jones marriage in 1925 is very probably her (although could have been a divorced woman whose married name was Jones, but there seems to be no such marriage before 1925)

Marriages Jun 1925
Corfield James R Jones Birmingham N. 6d 1104
Jones Freda C Corfield Birmingham N. 6d 1104



edit 15 April 2014

I had asked Heather Ann to reply that she had copied the info I posted for future ref

since it is now obvious that it is a differen family (Caroline Freda Jones, see thread linked from this one)

and she might want to keep the info as having been ruled out

no reply

info deleted now

Sarah's birth?

Name: Sarah Hannah Carey
Event Type: Birth Registration
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration Year: 1841
Registration District: Winchcomb
County: Gloucestershire
Event Place: Winchcomb, Gloucestershire, England
Mother's Maiden Name (not available before 1911 Q3):
Volume: 11
Page: 483
Line Number: 2

CAREY Sarah H CAREY CAREY STOAKES 1841 Cheltenham Winchcombe, Guiting 2 169

Marriage for parents?

CAREY Jesse STOKES Mary Cheltenham Cheltenham St Mary 1838 1 161

Family in census 1851 in Stanway, Winchcombe?

First Name JESSE
Last Name CAREY
Relationship HEAD
Condition MARRIED
Gender Male
Age 47
Year Of Birth 1804
Occupation AGL LABOURER
Birth Place -
Birth Town STANWAY
Birth County GLOUCESTERSHIRE
House Number -
House Name -
Street -
Parish STANWAY
City -
County Gloucestershire
Hamlet WOOD STANWAY
Parliamentary Borough -
Municipal Ward -
Registration District WINCHCOMB
Archive Reference HO107
Piece Number 1971
Folio 181
Page 12
Record set 1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, land & surveys



First Name Last Name Relationship Age Year Of Birth Birth Town

MARY CAREY WIFE 39 1812 WILLERSEY
SARAH CAREY DAUGHTER 9 1842 STANWAY <<<<<<<<<<<<
ELIZABETH CAREY DAUGHTER 8 1843 THATCHAM

Births for Esther and [Mary] Emma from the 1881 Mike* posted?

BAKER Esther A BAKER BAKER CAREY 1871 Cheltenham Winchcombe, Guiting 13 208
BAKER Mary E BAKER BAKER CAREY 1875 Cheltenham Winchcombe, Guiting 14 426


Births Dec 1871 Baker Esther Alice Winchcombe 6a 381

Births Dec 1875 Baker Mary Emma Winchcombe 6a 385

That's better....

Thanks for the edit, Mike*.

ha ha .... have done.
Far too excited !

I was only following your gut instinct about that family , Mike. :-)

And all the cumulative evidence everyone else had addd to the thread re Gladys Baker Jones etc.

BTW, could you edit 'cacked it' :-0

;-)

By jove I think you're cracked it...

1871

Alberta Baker
Age:7
Estimated birth year:abt 1864

Father's Name:Thomas Baker
Mother's name:Sarah Baker

Where born:Winchcombe, Gloucestershire
Town:Winchcombe
County/Island:Gloucestershire
Registration district:Winchcomb
Sub-registration district:Guiting


Thomas Baker 32
Sarah Baker 29 - Stanway, Gloucestershire
Alberta Baker 7


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in 1881 she's down as Bertha


Sarah Baker 39 widow - -Stanway, Gloucestershire
Bertha Baker 17 - Winchcombe
Esthor Baker 9
Emma Baker 5

But......

Is this Elizabeth Alberta living with her now married parents, and using her father's name, not the mother's name of Carey she was born under?

Census 1871

First Name ALBERTA<<<<<<<<<<
Last Name BAKER<<<<<<<
Relationship DAUGHTER
Condition -
Gender Female
Age 7
Occupation -
Year Of Birth 1864
Birth Town -
Birth Place -
Birth County GLOUCESTERSHIRE
House Number -
House Name -
Street HAILES STREET
Parish WINCHCOMBE
Town WINCHCOMBE
City -
County Gloucestershire
Country ENGLAND
Registration District WINCHCOMB
Archive Reference RG10
Piece Number 2656
Folio 113
Page 2
Record set 1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, land & surveys
Record collection Census
Collections from Great Britain

Other Household Members

THOMAS BAKER HEAD 32 born Winchcombe1839<<<<<<<<<<<<<
SARAH BAKER WIFE 29 1842 born Stanway (?) <<<<<<<

?????????????

1871 - Totnes Devon

Thomas H Baker 31
Sarah I Baker 28
William Baker 7
Elizabeth A Baker 5 <<<<<<<<
Rosina Baker 3
Thomas A Baker 2
Elizabeth Tucker 34
George Tucker 4

Drat, you're right about Llewellyn.

Mea Culpa!

What would be ace would be to find an Elizabeth A B Carey or Baker living with this couple in the census....

Marriages Sep 1870
BAKER Thomas Humphries Winchcombe 6a 607
Carey Sarah Hannah Winchcombe 6a 607

Reggie posted Victor's death (Llewellyn's twin)

Llewellyn only died in 1918