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I am trying to find a "Jem " Lee I found him on the 1881 census not found any of this Lee family going forward to 1891 and 1901

Coleshall Meadows - Iwade Kent -- 1881

Jem Lee 25y 1856 Travelling scissor grinder born Milton
Hariet Lee 21y 1860 -------------------------- born Canterbury
Louisa Lee 3y
Caroline 3 mth

any one know what Jem may be short for ? I thought James but not found
one suitable.
there is one James Lee but he is in London 1881 as a Cutler - he is on 1871
and 1861 father Alfred

I am trying to find a Louisa Lee born 1879 Chatham



Mavis

This is a different family to the one you have listed.

(Louisa above born Sheerness, Kent)

1891

Name: Louisa Lee
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John Lee
Mother's Name: Julia Lee
Gender: Female
Where born: Chatham, London, England
[Chatham, Kent, England]

Civil Parish: Islington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Judes
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration District: Islington
Sub-registration District: Highbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 174
Folio: 23
Page Number: 39
Household Members:
Name Age
John Lee 48 Carman
Julia Lee 50
Elizabeth H Lee 28
Edmund Lee 23
Louisa Lee 18
Alfred Lee 15
Henry Lee 12
Minnie Lee 9
William Lee 6
Edward Sawyer 32 son-in-law
Bertie Lee 5
Thomas Hape 66 Boarder

Is Louisa one of your ancestors?

If so, when and where did she marry?

Thank-you

Added:
'Jem is a given name, sometimes as a nickname for James, Jeremiah, Jeremy '

I am helping a friend we are pretty sure the family have traveller or gypsy
ancestors .

Louisa Lee did'nt marry until 1932 but her and her husband William Rumsey
had a child 1902

have ordered the marriage cert . but just testing the water to see what I may find
on the Travelling Lee's they do tend to disappear and not on censuses

thank you for ideas on name

Mavis

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Name: Louisa Lee
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 20 Dec 1878
Christening Place: Newnham, Kent, England
Father's Name: James Lee
Mother's Name: Harriet Lee
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I00658-7
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 1835534

??????

Name: Louisa Lee
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1891
Gender: Female
Age: 18
Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter
Birthplace: Chatham
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Islington
Sub-District: Highbury
Ecclesiastical Parish: St Judes
Parish: Islington
County: London, Middlesex

If Louisa Lee was born in 1879 in Chatham, she would not be age 3 on the 1881 census.

Was the child born in 1902 using the surname Lee or Rumsey (have you found them in 1911?)

Thanks.

As Patchem says........I have family called Jeremiah and Jeremy and they are Jem. Never seen James as such (in my tree)

Jude

take a look at this site

LEE - The Romani:
theromany.weebly.com/lee.html Cached
... anterbury Kent. Louisa, wife, 1856, Must see to ... Michael Lee, h, m, 1879, Hawker Bexley Heath Kent. Eliza, ... Gypsy Encampment, Chatham Kent. Benjamin Lee, H ...

and this one

Lee Family - RomanyJib Home - RomanyJib
gypsyjib.wikifoundry.com/page/Lee+Family Cached
1851 Census Gillingham Chatham Kent * Gypsies* Henry Lee ... 69 b 1792 Kent Widowed - Gypsy Sampson Lee ... 12 b 1879 Mile End

On the previous page of the census and at the same address as your family are these people and I can't track them either.

Name: Deogerous Lee. (Traveller-Scissor Grinder)
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Caroline Lee
Gender: Male
Where born: Milton, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Iwade
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street Address: Coleshall Meadows
Marital status: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Travelling Scissors Grinder
Registration District: Milton
Sub-registration District: Milton
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 972
Folio: 117
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
Deogerous Lee 34
Caroline Lee 33. Charlton, Kent
Jem Lee 6 Milton, Kent
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Record

Census Information:Lee: - Romany/Gypsy Connections:
www.romanyconnections.wikifoundry.com/page/Census... Cached
Lydia Lee 60 Chatham, Kent, ... Louisa, Dau, 7, Scholar, ... Gypsy Encampment, Chatham Kent. Benjamin Lee, H, 44, Hawker, ...

Benjamin Lee .Bc 1795 Dover Head Manchester, Lancashire
David Lee .Bc 1816 Tettenden, Kent, England Head Cuckfield, Sussex
Thomas Lee .Bc 1821 Folkstone, Kent, England Head Eltham, London
Unity Lee .Bc 1822 Appledore, Kent, England Wife Eltham, London
John Lee .Bc 1829 Maidstone, Kent, England Head Guestling, Sussex
John Lee .Bc 1830 Sandhurst, Kent, England Head Burwash, Sussex
Henry Lee .Bc 1831 Linton, Kent, England Lodger Cranbrook, Kent
Lydia Lee .Bc 1835 Lydden, Kent, England Head Sittingbourne, Kent
Elizabeth Lee .Bc 1837 Canterbury, Kent, England Head Canterbury St Mary Northgate, Kent
Emily Lee .Bc 1842 Kent, England Wife Mitcham, Surrey
Celia Lee .Bc 1843 Maidstone, Kent, England Wife Eltham, London
Christopher Lee .Bc 1843 Gravesend, Kent, England Head Willesden, Middlesex
Jane Lee .Bc 1844 Westerham, Kent, England Wife Eltham, London
Frances Lee .Bc 1845 Brenchly, Kent, England Head Frant, Sussex
Lavinia Lee .Bc 1850 Wye, Kent, England Wife Ashford, Kent
John Lee .Bc 1856 Bexley, Kent, England Lodger Alverstoke, Hampshire
Emily Lee .Bc 1858 Bromley, Kent, England Wife Rotherfield, Sussex
Jane Lee .Bc 1858 Hythe, Kent, England Daughter in Law Ashford, Kent
Stephen Lee .Bc 1864 Loose, Kent, England Son Sittingbourne, Kent
James Lee .Bc 1865 Loose, Kent, England Son Sittingbourne, Kent
Deogley Lee .Bc 1871 Sherness, Kent, England Grandson Brighton, Sussex



1881 Census Index for Hawkers born in Kent: - Romany/Gypsy ...
www.romanyconnections.wikifoundry.com/page/1881+Census... Cached
... Kent Louisa Huismores .Bc 1831 Chatham, Kent, England Boarder ... Chatham, Kent Benjamin Lee .Bc 1795 Dover Head ... Patrick Percago .Bc 1879 Chatham, Kent, ...

CENSUS - Found Together: - G.M.B.Gypsy Message Board
gmb3.wikifoundry.com/page/CENSUS+-+Found+Together%3A Cached
Damom Lee, H, M, 40, Gypsy, U/K, U/K. Micsella, Wife, 38, ... 1863, Lab, Chatham Kent. Louisa, wife, 1866, Chatham ... 1873, Hawker, Chatham Kent.! son, 1879, Harvel ...

Is tihs them in 1911?

Name: F Rumsey
Age in 1911: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1902
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Folkestone, Kent
Civil Parish: St Lawrence Intra
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street Address: 3 Bolton Street, Central Road, Ramsgate
Registration District: Thanet
Registration District Number: 63
Sub-registration District: Ramsgate
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Household Schedule Number: 268
Piece: 4529
Household Members:
Name Age
W Rumsey 33 Hawker, b. Folkstone
L Rumsey 32 wife, b. Chatham
F Rumsey 9


Married 13 years, 3 children born, 1 living 2 had died.


Same family in 1901

Name: Louisa E Rumsey
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Folkestone, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Folkestone
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Louisa E Rumsey 25, Head, Married
Florrie Rumsey 1
Emmeline Rumsey 3/12

1891

Name: William Rumsey
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Alfred J Rumsey
Gender: Male
Where born: Folkestone, Kent, England

Civil Parish: Folkestone
Ecclesiastical parish: St Saviour
Town: Folkestone
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration District: Elham
Sub-registration District: Folkestone
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 749
Folio: 28
Page Number: 49
Household Members:
Name Age
Alfred J Rumsey 39 Widower, Fishmonger
Martha Rumsey 34 Single, Sister
Alfred Rumsey 13
William Rumsey 11
Frederick Rumsey 9
Gertrude Rumsey 8
Arthur Rumsey 6

My what alot -- thank you

shall really have to wait for the Marriage cert. due at the end of next week

hope what has been found on census nights of the Lee's can be of help.

not found 1901 but on 1911 Ramsgate 2 Bolton St . are as

W. Rumsey 33y Fish Hawker Folkstone
L. Rumsey 32y ------------------ Chatham
F. Rumsey 9y -------------------- Folkstone

taken awhile to sort out

Thanks again

Mavis

I have added the 1901 below the 1911 but William is not with them.

EDIT

That 1901 ma not be them - looking at the ages?


Births Dec 1899 Rumsey Florrie Elham 2a 1035



Births Mar 1901 Rumsey Emmeline Elham 2a 1071

that Louisa E Rumsey nee Marsh = George Alfred W Rumsey = 1899

not the one I was looking for

Mavis

Yes, I see that as I have now found them in 1911