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You could try Elizabeth on her thread re Romany Gypsy look ups

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1342925

found the Rumsey family on 1939 index {Runway?}

so have DoB

William J Rumsey 17th Nov 1879 that's right
Louisa Rumsey 29th Nov 1879 a year out
Martha 1911 that's right

Have the birth cert for Louisa Lee

born 29th Nov 1878 Homerhall ? Doddington Louisa - girl - father James Lee -
mother Harriet Lee formerly Webb - fathers occup. Skewer and peg maker --
signature X and address of inform. Fairlight Sussex

still none the wiser on what to look for Harriet Webb -- or -- Smith

help of any kind most welcome

Mavis

Graves Edward Smith his wife was Elizabeth Frances Ellen Hood
they married 1897 Folkstone


when Louisa Rumsey died 1950 year of birth 1876
so born between 1875 - 1879 ??

Mavis

Up date on Louisa

now have the birth cert of Fredrick and the Marriage of Louisa

Birth

21st May 1902 - 21 Ethelbert Road -Folkstone.

Frederick - father - William James Rumsey - mother - Louisa Rumsey formerly -
-Smith -- father Fish Hawker - X the mark of Louisa Rumsey mother 21 - Ethelbert Road - Folkstone.

I checked this address 1901 a George E Smith 31y born Whistable
and Matilda 29y born Folkstone 2 children Matilda 3y - Elizabeth 1y
then they change names 1911 he is Graves Smith and wife is Elizabeth children the same
George/ Graves Smith is the child of Edward Smith and Matilda Andrews.

marriage

22nd November 1932 -- Battle Sx reg office.

William James Rumsey 55y Horse dealer - Bexhill - Alfred Joseph Rumsey dec.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fishmonger
Louisa Lee 55y ---------- Bexhill -------------- James Lee - Horse dealer.
W J Rumsey
X the mark of Louisa Lee

witnesses M Rumsey and C Peirce

so is Louisa a Smith or Lee

I have info on Rumsey's they are from Essex

Mavis

thank you Ann

Mavis

so Louisa is named as the mother

Name: Frederick Rumsey
Christening Date: 29 Jul 1902
Christening Place: Folkestone, Kent, England
Father's Name: William James Rumsey
Mother's Name: Louisa Rumsey
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I01491-1
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1786457

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Name: Jessie G Forbes
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 1920
Event Place: Elham, Kent, England
County: Kent
Page: 2205
Volume: 2A
Affiliate Line Number: 20
Registration Quarter: 1
Rumsey probably married one of the following people
Name: John A Rumsey

Lee Betsy, Plato, Misella 24 Mar 1850 Folkestone
Lee Betsy Matilda, George, Elizabeth 30 Sep 1866 Ashford

Lee Brittania Olive, George, Rebecca 9 Jul 1905 Ash next Ridley
Lee Charlie, Ambrose, Rose 22 Jul 1900 Crockenhill

Lee Cinemante, Leonard, Ellen 7 Jul 1895 Crockenhill

Lee Cinderrella, Sam, Patollinia? 24 Mar 1850 Folkestone
Lee David, David, Mary Ann 20 Oct 1855 Sheerness
Lee Diana, Sam, Patollinia? 24 Mar 1850 Folkestone
Lee Edward, Charity 27 Jan 1822 Cheriton

Lee Emma, Jethro, Charlotte 19 Apr 1841 Gillingham
Lee George, Thomas, Sarah 29 Jul 1877 Ashford

Lee Harold James, George Silvester, Angelina 29 Jul 1906 Ash next Ridley

Lee Henry, Henry, Emily 8 Jun 1886 Crockenhill

Lee Henry, Albert, Eliza 10 Jul 1892 Crockenhill


Lee James, Methuselah, Jane 17 Jul 1859 Newchurch

Lee James, Isaac, Lydia 22 Dec 1844 Gillingham

Lee Jasper, Jasper, Sophie 1 Aug 1915 Crockenhill
Lee Jos, Sam, Patollinia? 24 Mar 1850 Folkestone

Lee Julia Cecilia, Alexander, Jane 3 Mar 1897 Chatham St Paul
Lee Loui ?, Ann 6 Jan 1788 Hythe

Lee Mary, John, Hester 26 May 1923 Green St Green

Lee Matilda, Leonard, Ellen 22 Jul 1906 Crockenhill
Lee Phrenidge?, Sam ,Patollinia? 24 Mar 1850 Folkestone

Lee Priscilla, John, Hester 26 May 1923 Green St Green
Lee Thomas, Jethro, Charlotte 15 Oct 1837 Canterbury
Lee William, John, Mariah 16 Mar 1824 Capel
Lee William, Thomas, Sarah 25 Oct 1874 Ashford

gypsyc - Ancestry.com
freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gypsy/gypsyc.htm Cached
... TRAVELLER & ITINERANT BAPTISMS FOUND IN KENT RECORDS. ... Lee David, David, Mary Ann 20 Oct 1855 Sheerness Lee ... Todd James, Isaac, Louisa 29 May 1879 ...

Name: Louisa Lee
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1911
Gender: Female
Age: 35
Birthplace: Sheerness, Kent
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Bromley
Sub-District: Bromley
Parish: Bromley
County: Kent

Name: Jem Lee
Age (Original): 25
Gender: Male
Birth Year: 1856
Birthplace: Milton, Kent, England
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Travelling Scissor Grinder
Address: Coleshall Meadows
Event Place: Iwade, Kent, England
Disability:
Record Type: Household
GS Film number: 1341231
Affiliate Publication Number: RG11
Piece/Folio: 972 / 118
Page Number: 11
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Head Jem Lee M 25 Milton, Kent, England
Wife Harriet Lee F 21 Canterbury, Kent, England
Daughter Louisa Lee F 3 Sheerness, Kent, England
Daughter Caroline Lee F 0 Sheerness, Kent, England

Births Sep 1902 Rumsey Frederick Elham 2a 1133

Yes, I see that as I have now found them in 1911

that Louisa E Rumsey nee Marsh = George Alfred W Rumsey = 1899

not the one I was looking for

Mavis

I have added the 1901 below the 1911 but William is not with them.

EDIT

That 1901 ma not be them - looking at the ages?


Births Dec 1899 Rumsey Florrie Elham 2a 1035



Births Mar 1901 Rumsey Emmeline Elham 2a 1071

My what alot -- thank you

shall really have to wait for the Marriage cert. due at the end of next week

hope what has been found on census nights of the Lee's can be of help.

not found 1901 but on 1911 Ramsgate 2 Bolton St . are as

W. Rumsey 33y Fish Hawker Folkstone
L. Rumsey 32y ------------------ Chatham
F. Rumsey 9y -------------------- Folkstone

taken awhile to sort out

Thanks again

Mavis

1891

Name: William Rumsey
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Alfred J Rumsey
Gender: Male
Where born: Folkestone, Kent, England

Civil Parish: Folkestone
Ecclesiastical parish: St Saviour
Town: Folkestone
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration District: Elham
Sub-registration District: Folkestone
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 749
Folio: 28
Page Number: 49
Household Members:
Name Age
Alfred J Rumsey 39 Widower, Fishmonger
Martha Rumsey 34 Single, Sister
Alfred Rumsey 13
William Rumsey 11
Frederick Rumsey 9
Gertrude Rumsey 8
Arthur Rumsey 6

Is tihs them in 1911?

Name: F Rumsey
Age in 1911: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1902
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Folkestone, Kent
Civil Parish: St Lawrence Intra
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street Address: 3 Bolton Street, Central Road, Ramsgate
Registration District: Thanet
Registration District Number: 63
Sub-registration District: Ramsgate
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Household Schedule Number: 268
Piece: 4529
Household Members:
Name Age
W Rumsey 33 Hawker, b. Folkstone
L Rumsey 32 wife, b. Chatham
F Rumsey 9


Married 13 years, 3 children born, 1 living 2 had died.


Same family in 1901

Name: Louisa E Rumsey
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Folkestone, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Folkestone
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Louisa E Rumsey 25, Head, Married
Florrie Rumsey 1
Emmeline Rumsey 3/12

CENSUS - Found Together: - G.M.B.Gypsy Message Board
gmb3.wikifoundry.com/page/CENSUS+-+Found+Together%3A Cached
Damom Lee, H, M, 40, Gypsy, U/K, U/K. Micsella, Wife, 38, ... 1863, Lab, Chatham Kent. Louisa, wife, 1866, Chatham ... 1873, Hawker, Chatham Kent.! son, 1879, Harvel ...

Benjamin Lee .Bc 1795 Dover Head Manchester, Lancashire
David Lee .Bc 1816 Tettenden, Kent, England Head Cuckfield, Sussex
Thomas Lee .Bc 1821 Folkstone, Kent, England Head Eltham, London
Unity Lee .Bc 1822 Appledore, Kent, England Wife Eltham, London
John Lee .Bc 1829 Maidstone, Kent, England Head Guestling, Sussex
John Lee .Bc 1830 Sandhurst, Kent, England Head Burwash, Sussex
Henry Lee .Bc 1831 Linton, Kent, England Lodger Cranbrook, Kent
Lydia Lee .Bc 1835 Lydden, Kent, England Head Sittingbourne, Kent
Elizabeth Lee .Bc 1837 Canterbury, Kent, England Head Canterbury St Mary Northgate, Kent
Emily Lee .Bc 1842 Kent, England Wife Mitcham, Surrey
Celia Lee .Bc 1843 Maidstone, Kent, England Wife Eltham, London
Christopher Lee .Bc 1843 Gravesend, Kent, England Head Willesden, Middlesex
Jane Lee .Bc 1844 Westerham, Kent, England Wife Eltham, London
Frances Lee .Bc 1845 Brenchly, Kent, England Head Frant, Sussex
Lavinia Lee .Bc 1850 Wye, Kent, England Wife Ashford, Kent
John Lee .Bc 1856 Bexley, Kent, England Lodger Alverstoke, Hampshire
Emily Lee .Bc 1858 Bromley, Kent, England Wife Rotherfield, Sussex
Jane Lee .Bc 1858 Hythe, Kent, England Daughter in Law Ashford, Kent
Stephen Lee .Bc 1864 Loose, Kent, England Son Sittingbourne, Kent
James Lee .Bc 1865 Loose, Kent, England Son Sittingbourne, Kent
Deogley Lee .Bc 1871 Sherness, Kent, England Grandson Brighton, Sussex



1881 Census Index for Hawkers born in Kent: - Romany/Gypsy ...
www.romanyconnections.wikifoundry.com/page/1881+Census... Cached
... Kent Louisa Huismores .Bc 1831 Chatham, Kent, England Boarder ... Chatham, Kent Benjamin Lee .Bc 1795 Dover Head ... Patrick Percago .Bc 1879 Chatham, Kent, ...