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23 Dec 2013 22:28 |
looking to see if any one can help me find marriage of henry kerr and catherine belcham they lived in sunderland not sure if they married ?
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ArgyllGran
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23 Dec 2013 22:33 |
Can you give us an idea of when they lived? Which century? Any further details would help.
I'm not seeing any marriage, so either it's very recent, or they didn't marry. Or else it's so long ago that there's no surviving record.
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John
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23 Dec 2013 22:37 |
Argyll sorrycatherine was born in Norfolk and moved to sunderland where she had children to henry kerr shes on 1861 census as single
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23 Dec 2013 22:41 |
For our ref, is this her?
1861 England Census about Catherine S Belcham Name: Catherine S Belcham Age: 17 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844 Relation: Daughter Mother's Name: Lydia Belcham Gender: Female Where born: Lynn, Norfolk, England Civil Parish: Bishopwearmouth Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul County/Island: Durham Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage: View Image Registration District: Sunderland Sub-registration District: South Bishop Wearmouth ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 281 Piece: 3773 Folio: 57 Page Number: 45 Household Members: Name Age Lydia Belcham 50 Martha Belcham 23 Lydia Belcham 20 Hannah S Belcham 18 Catherine S Belcham 17 Georgena Belcham 15
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ArgyllGran
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23 Dec 2013 22:42 |
And here with Henry, saying she's married:
1881 England Census about Catherine Kerr Name: Catherine Kerr Age: 36 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845 Relationship to Head: Wife Spouse: Henry Kerr Gender: Female Where born: Lynn, Norfolk, England Civil Parish: Sunderland County/Island: Durham Country: England Street Address: Coronation St Marital Status: Married Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration District: Sunderland Sub-registration District: West Sunderland ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 5002 Folio: 106 Page Number: 45 Household Members: Name Age Henry Kerr 48 Catherine Kerr 36 James Kerr 14 Henry Kerr 13 Thomas Kerr 10 Frank Kerr 8
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ArgyllGran
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23 Dec 2013 22:45 |
1901 England Census about Henry Kerr Name: Henry Kerr Age: 70 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Spouse: Catharine Kerr Birth Place: London, England Civil Parish: Sunderland Town: Sunderland County/Island: Durham Country: England Street Address:
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Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Henry Kerr 70 Catharine Kerr 59
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John
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23 Dec 2013 22:49 |
but no marriage argyll
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ArgyllGran
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23 Dec 2013 22:50 |
Presumably her death, as Kerr, but I don't see a marriage record:
Deaths Dec 1920 (>99%) KERR Catherine S 76 Sunderland 10a 714
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24 Dec 2013 08:45 |
Her age is wrong on this, but I think it is the right family - Henry born London, a butcher:
Catharine Kerr Age: 36 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Henry Kerr Gender: Female Where born: Rigis, Lincolnshire, England Civil Parish: Sunderland Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity Town: Sunderland County/Island: Durham Country: England Registration District: Sunderland Sub-registration District: East Sunderland ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Household Schedule Number: 207 Piece: 5014 Folio: 18 Page Number: 32 Household Members: Name Age Henry Kerr 37 Catharine Kerr 36 Laura Kerr 6 James Kerr 4 Henry Kerr 2 William Kerr 1 Month John Kerr 1 Month
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Chris Ho :)
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24 Dec 2013 09:06 |
Baptism County Norfolk Place Kings Lynn Church St Margaret RegisterNumber 969 DateOfBirth BaptismDate 03 Aug 1842 Forename Hannah Sarah Sex F FatherForename James MotherForename Lydia FatherSurname BELCHAM MotherSurname Abode Windsor Row FatherOccupation Mariner Notes W. Snell, Curate. The entry is faded and difficult to read. (same time, Lydia)
(above if relating to 1861 Census posted, from below link)
http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl
Chris :)
1851 BELCHAM, James Head Married M 42 1809 Master Mariner Wells, Norfolk BELCHAM, Lydia Wife Married F 42 1809 Wells, Norfolk BELCHAM, Ann M Daughter F 19 1832 Tailoress Wells, Norfolk BELCHAM, Fountain J S Son M 17 1834 Mariner Wells, Norfolk BELCHAM, Martha Daughter F 15 1836 Scholar Wells, Norfolk BELCHAM, Lydia Daughter F 11 1840 Scholar Wells, Norfolk BELCHAM, Hannah Daughter F 8 1843 Scholar Lynn, Norfolk BELCHAM, Catherine Daughter F 7 1844 Scholar Lynn, Norfolk BELCHAM, Georgeanna Daughter F 5 1846 Scholar Lynn, Norfolk Piece: 1829 Folio: 352 Page: 50 Registration District: Kings Lynn Civil Parish: St Margarets Municipal Borough: Kings Lynn Address: 31, Jamess Place, Wood Street St, St Margarets, Lynn, Kings Lynn County: Norfolk
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24 Dec 2013 09:45 |
Like everyone else, I can't see a marriage for them. Catherine has been missed off this transcript - she is with her son Ellison and a widow. Not found a death for Henry though between 1901-1911:
Ellison Kerr Age in 1911: 27 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884 Relation to Head: Husband Gender: Male Birth Place: Sunderland, Durham, England Civil Parish: Sunderland County/Island: Durham Country: England Street Address: 14 Villiers St Marital Status: Married Occupation: Dealer General Registration District: Sunderland Registration District Number: 555 Sub-registration District: Sunderland East ED, institution, or vessel: 15 Piece: 30196 Household Members: Name Age Ellison Kerr 27 Genevieve Kerr 20 Ellison Kerr 10/12 The 1891 census has been badly transcribed, but Henry was not with Catherine, John, Frank & Ellison - although she stated married, so he must have been away on night of census. She was transcribed as Mark on Ancestry as they have combined 2 households in error.
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Chris Ho :)
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24 Dec 2013 09:48 |
Cemetery Registers Sunderland 1874 Lydia Belcham abt 1809 Christopher Street, Hendon
(possibly her Mother, from below)
http://www.durhamrecordsonline.com/NewSearch.php
Chris :)
Marriage (Sister) Day:14 Month:Aug Year:1862 Groom forenames:Carl Groom surname:Hebner Grooms parish: Groom other: Bride forenames:Lydia Bride Surname:Belcham Brides parish: Bride other: Place:Hendon Description:St. Paul County:Durham Record source:Northumberland and Durham Marriages
edits (with below, if him) Cemetery Registers Hartlepool 1907 Henry Kerr abt 1836 [blank abode]
First name(s): Henry Last name: KERR Date of burial 7 Feb 1907 Age at death: 71 Calculated year of birth: 1836 Place of burial Hartlepool Dedication: Old Cemetery County: Durham Hartlepool Old Cemetery: Denomination: Cemetery Coverage 1856 - 1999 Data provider: Cleveland Family History Society
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24 Dec 2013 13:50 |
Not sure that death is right Chris, I think it ties into this probate record:
Henry Kerr Probate Date: 22 Feb 1907 Death Date: 4 Feb 1907 Death Place: Hartlepool, Durham, England Registry: Durham, England
Henry Kerr, of Hartlepool. Probate to Annie Pilcher (wife of George Pilcher) - £31 4s. But they didn't appear to have a daughter Annie, and they weren' t living in Hartlepool.
I wondered about this death - although the age is about 10 years out??
Deaths Jun 1904 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- KERR Henry 63 S. Shields 10a 475
Parts of Sunderland came under South Shields until 1928.
ADDED: although none of this is helping in the original question to find their marriage!
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MarieCeleste
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24 Dec 2013 14:29 |
I think this is Henry in 1861 on FMP (occupation on image is Butcher) - it says he's married, but who to? Catherine is still with her parents.
KERR, Henry Head Married M 27 1834 ... London, Middlesex
Piece: 3775 Folio: 46 Page: 25 Registration District: Sunderland Civil Parish: Bishopwearmouth Municipal Borough: Sunderland
Address: 19, Sussex Street, Bishopwearmouth, Sunderland County: Durham
Ancestry have added a Mary Walsh and her children as his family but I think that may be an error and they've wrongly appended the household beneath.
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MarieCeleste
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24 Dec 2013 14:38 |
Henry appears to be in the North East in 1851:
MILLS, Robert Head Married M 23 1828 Butcher Alnwick, Northumberland MILLS, Ann Wife Married F 27 1824 Hetton Le Hole, Durham KERR, Henry Aprentice Unmarried M 18 1833 Butcher's Apprentice London, Middlesex
Piece: 2392 Folio: 333 Page: 58 Registration District: Easington
Address: Shotton Colliery County: Durham
Did he marry someone between 1851 & 1861 so wasn't free to marry Catherine?
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MarieCeleste
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24 Dec 2013 14:43 |
Just putting this here on the off chance, either to prove or eliminate.
Parish Record Collection - Marriage Record
Day: 6 Month: Mar Year: 1853
Groom forenames: Henry Groom surname: Kerr
Bride forenames: Jane Bride Surname: Hunter
Place: Bishopwearmouth Description: St. Michael & All Angels County: Durham
Checked: Yes Record source: Northumberland and Durham Marriages Data provider: Northumberland & Durham Family History Society
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I think he's been recorded both with and without a middle name on the index:
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Mar 1853 BAXTER George William Sunderland 10a 378 HUNTER Jane Sunderland 10a 378 ** KERR Henry Sunderland 10a 378 << KERR Henry M Sunderland 10a 378 << WHITE Sarah Ann Sunderland 10a 378
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safc
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24 Dec 2013 14:51 |
Henry Kerr, "England Marriages, 1538–1973 " Name: Henry Kerr Birth Date: 1832 Birthplace: Age: 21 Spouse's Name: Jane Hunter Spouse's Birth Date: 1832 Spouse's Birthplace: Spouse's Age: 21 Event Date: 06 Mar 1853 Event Place: Bishop-Wearmouth, Durham, England Father's Name: Peter Kerr Mother's Name: Spouse's Father's Name: John Hunter Spouse's Mother's Name: Race: Marital Status: Single Previous Wife's Name: Spouse's Race: Spouse's Marital Status: Single Spouse's Previous Husband's Name: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00851-9 System Origin: England-EASy GS Film number: 1514549 Reference ID: it 2, p 77, no 153
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safc
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24 Dec 2013 15:02 |
1861 Census 1 Records found Piece: RG9/3775 Place: S Bishop-Wearmouth -Co. Durham Enumeration District: 15 Civil Parish: Bishopwearmouth Ecclesiastical Parish: St Thomas Folio: 46 Page: 25 Schedule: 142 Address: 19 Sussex St
Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks KERR Henry Head U M 27 Butcher Middlesex - London
free cen says hes not married does U mean unmarried???
http://www.freecen.org.uk/
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safc
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24 Dec 2013 15:11 |
this could be henry and jane hunter
1861 Census 6 Records found Piece: RG9/3775 Place: S Bishop-Wearmouth -Co. Durham Enumeration District: 16 Civil Parish: Bishopwearmouth Ecclesiastical Parish: St Thomas Folio: 91 Page: 40 Schedule: 243 Address: 40 Sans St
Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks KERR Henry Head M M 28 Printer Compositor Scotland - - Page: 92/41 KERR Jane Wife M F 28 Scotland - - KERR Marian Dau - F 7 Co. Durham - Sunderland KERR Henrietta J Dau - F 5 Co. Durham - Sunderland KERR Elizabeth Dau - F 2 Co. Durham - Sunderland KERR John Henry Son - M 5m Co. Durham - Sunderland
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MarieCeleste
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24 Dec 2013 15:21 |
Yes safc I'd agree U=Unmarried. I've just checked the image again on the 1861 and although it's not clear I think I would tend to go more for unmarried. (I can see, though, how the transcription on FMP could have picked it up as married).
Well found.
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