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25 Dec 2013 09:49 |
Gracious folks, Henry is looking very interesting!...
(wonder if John has any other info. of things)
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25 Dec 2013 09:27 |
Looks like another conviction - was given 4 months for simple larceny:
Henry Kerrs Date of Trial: 20 Feb 1877 Trial Year: 1877 Location of Trial: Durham, England Sentence: Imprisonment Crime: See Image Date of Execution or Release: See Image
And, I wonder about this?
Henry Ker Date of Trial: 22 Oct 1888 Trial Year: 1888 Location of Trial: Middlesex, England Sentence: Acquittal Crime: See Image Date of Execution or Release: See Imag
Charge was embezzlement. ADDED - I don't think this is the same Henry, there was a report in the Post early October 1888, and he was 31.
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MarieCeleste
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25 Dec 2013 09:11 |
Sounds like they might have had an on-off relationship. He is mentioned in the 1893 article about the daughter Laura's bigamous husband. Quite likely on the 1901 he named his wife although she was elsewhere.
Very frustrating that the newspapers mention he had aliases but don't say what they were - could answer a few questions.
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25 Dec 2013 09:02 |
Good find Marie, it certainly looks like him! Maybe they weren't really together in 1891/1901 - may explain her having to work as a charwoman.
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25 Dec 2013 08:45 |
Yes! I'm pretty sure it is him per this newspaper article:
Headline: AN ALLEGED "LONG FIRM" SWINDLE.
Publication:Sunderland Daily Echo and Shipping Gazette
Publication date:Tuesday 22 January 1884
Article text: AN ALLEGED "LONG FIRM" SWINDLE. SUNDERLAND MAN TROUBLE. Yesterday, at Marlborough Street Police Court, London, Henry Kerr (52), who had given the address of Cross Place, Covent Garden, Sunderland, and who was said to have several aliases was brought before ......
The article states that he and his confederates had committed a number of frauds via newspaper adverts. He'd been arrested in Durham and brought to London.
Would be interesting to try and find his aliases.
ADDED: The Covent Garden area of Sunderland was where their address of Coronation Street on the 1881 census would be.
ANOTHER ADD: There were several brief reports of the crime. It appears all of the defendants were from the Sunderland area. They variously described themselves as "merchants" although it was reported that they had no means and were living in very poor conditions.
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25 Dec 2013 08:35 |
This could be another complete red herring but am posting it as the age and occupation fits:
Crime, Prisons & Punishment
First name: Henry Last name: Kerr Age: 52 Year of birth: 1832 Occupation: Butcher
Date the court session started: 25 Feb 1884 Victims: William Pullin , Charles Hewson , Marie Hocquert Record source: Central Criminal Court: After Trial Calendars of Prisoners The National Archives reference: CRIM9/30
He was charged along with a George Robert Short, George Sumby and George Edmundson of stealing a silver pocket watch and other items with intent to defraud. All sentenced to 18 months in Cold Bath Fields prison. Doesn't say where the offence or trial took place but seems to be in the London/Middlesex/Surrey area.
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25 Dec 2013 08:33 |
I agree Marie - but wonder, because apart from the 1904 death I can't find a death for Henry prior to 1911 where she is recorded as a widow.
Very strange, for her to be a charwoman as well, it just doesn't add up.
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25 Dec 2013 08:20 |
It's curious Flip, the birthplaces and ages on the 1901 seem to fit but Henry' occupation is completely different. Just posting different version to show all info:
KERR, Henry Head Married M 70 1831 Paper Merchant London KERR, Catharine Wife Married F 59 1842 Lynn, Norfolk
Piece: 4719 Folio: 55 Page: 23 Registration District: Sunderland Civil Parish: Sunderland
Address: 28, New Grey Street, Sunderland County: Durham
I think it's too much of a coincidence, she must have been recorded twice.
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25 Dec 2013 07:36 |
I don't think the 1901 census posted earlier in the thread is right, I think this is Catherine:
Catherine Kerr Age: 56 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Female Birth Place: Kings Lynn, Norfolk, England Civil Parish: Sunderland County/Island: Durham Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Catherine Kerr 56 Frank Kerr 27 E W S Kerr 16 So no Henry on either 1891or 1901, on this census she is a charwoman but still stating married. So wonder where Henry disappeared to?
ADDED - although looking at both 1901 census images I wonder if she has been recorded twice??
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24 Dec 2013 18:45 |
(Thankyou for that MC)
Marriages Mar 1883 (>99%) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Kerr Laura Sunderland 10a 838 LAWRENCE George William Sunderland 10a 838
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1891 KERR, Catherine S Wife Married F 47 1844 Kings Lynn, Norfolk KERR, John Son Single M 20 1871 Sawyer Sunderland, County Durham KERR, Frank Son Single M 17 1874 General Dealer Sunderland, County Durham KERR, Ellison Son M 6 1885 Sunderland, County Durham Piece: 4139 Folio: 67 Page: 13 Registration District: Sunderland Civil Parish: Bishop Wearmouth Municipal Borough: Sunderland Address: 20, Sussex Street, Bishop Wearmouth, Sunderland County: Durham
Sunderland Daily Echo and Shipping Gazette Publication date:Tuesday 01 September 1891
Mrs Catherine Kerr, of 20, Sussex-street, desires to thank the doctors, sisters and nurses of the Sunderland Infirmary for their careful treatment and great attention to her while she was in No. 5 ward of that institution, also her son Robert Henry Kerr who was in No.14 ward.
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MarieCeleste
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24 Dec 2013 16:27 |
To summarise that newspaper article - one Gus Lawrence had married Laura Kerr, the daughter of Henry Kerr (butcher) and Catherine Susannah Kerr of 17 William Street, Sunderland.
Gus and Laura married 20 Feb 1883 at the Registry Office, Sunderland and had 6 children, all living.
Marion Elizabeth Baldwin had met Gus Lawrence in 1893 in New Delaval and they became engaged. They "married" in January 1894 in Earsdon. They lived with Marion's mother until April 1894 when he told her he was married with a wife and family still alive. She brought charges.
He said he'd told her all along he was married, she said he hadn't, he said he had (much he said, she saids) but admitted bigamy.
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24 Dec 2013 15:24 |
(Thankyou for Probate Flip, wrong one then!)
LOCAL BIGAMY CASE.
Publication:Sunderland Daily Echo and Shipping Gazette
Publication date:Tuesday 19 June 1894
Article text:"Sessions yesterday Gus. Lawrance, labourer, Sunderland, was charged With feloniously marrying one Marion Elizabeth Baldwin on the 9th January, his wife, Laura, then being alive. Catherine Susannah Kerr, wife of Henry Kerr, butcher, 17, Wiiliam.street, Suuderiand"
(something above newspapers, if anyone has a minute, I'm 'sausage rolling' in a minute, lol)
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MarieCeleste
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24 Dec 2013 15:21 |
Yes safc I'd agree U=Unmarried. I've just checked the image again on the 1861 and although it's not clear I think I would tend to go more for unmarried. (I can see, though, how the transcription on FMP could have picked it up as married).
Well found.
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24 Dec 2013 15:11 |
this could be henry and jane hunter
1861 Census 6 Records found Piece: RG9/3775 Place: S Bishop-Wearmouth -Co. Durham Enumeration District: 16 Civil Parish: Bishopwearmouth Ecclesiastical Parish: St Thomas Folio: 91 Page: 40 Schedule: 243 Address: 40 Sans St
Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks KERR Henry Head M M 28 Printer Compositor Scotland - - Page: 92/41 KERR Jane Wife M F 28 Scotland - - KERR Marian Dau - F 7 Co. Durham - Sunderland KERR Henrietta J Dau - F 5 Co. Durham - Sunderland KERR Elizabeth Dau - F 2 Co. Durham - Sunderland KERR John Henry Son - M 5m Co. Durham - Sunderland
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24 Dec 2013 15:02 |
1861 Census 1 Records found Piece: RG9/3775 Place: S Bishop-Wearmouth -Co. Durham Enumeration District: 15 Civil Parish: Bishopwearmouth Ecclesiastical Parish: St Thomas Folio: 46 Page: 25 Schedule: 142 Address: 19 Sussex St
Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks KERR Henry Head U M 27 Butcher Middlesex - London
free cen says hes not married does U mean unmarried???
http://www.freecen.org.uk/
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24 Dec 2013 14:51 |
Henry Kerr, "England Marriages, 1538–1973 " Name: Henry Kerr Birth Date: 1832 Birthplace: Age: 21 Spouse's Name: Jane Hunter Spouse's Birth Date: 1832 Spouse's Birthplace: Spouse's Age: 21 Event Date: 06 Mar 1853 Event Place: Bishop-Wearmouth, Durham, England Father's Name: Peter Kerr Mother's Name: Spouse's Father's Name: John Hunter Spouse's Mother's Name: Race: Marital Status: Single Previous Wife's Name: Spouse's Race: Spouse's Marital Status: Single Spouse's Previous Husband's Name: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00851-9 System Origin: England-EASy GS Film number: 1514549 Reference ID: it 2, p 77, no 153
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24 Dec 2013 14:43 |
Just putting this here on the off chance, either to prove or eliminate.
Parish Record Collection - Marriage Record
Day: 6 Month: Mar Year: 1853
Groom forenames: Henry Groom surname: Kerr
Bride forenames: Jane Bride Surname: Hunter
Place: Bishopwearmouth Description: St. Michael & All Angels County: Durham
Checked: Yes Record source: Northumberland and Durham Marriages Data provider: Northumberland & Durham Family History Society
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I think he's been recorded both with and without a middle name on the index:
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Mar 1853 BAXTER George William Sunderland 10a 378 HUNTER Jane Sunderland 10a 378 ** KERR Henry Sunderland 10a 378 << KERR Henry M Sunderland 10a 378 << WHITE Sarah Ann Sunderland 10a 378
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24 Dec 2013 14:38 |
Henry appears to be in the North East in 1851:
MILLS, Robert Head Married M 23 1828 Butcher Alnwick, Northumberland MILLS, Ann Wife Married F 27 1824 Hetton Le Hole, Durham KERR, Henry Aprentice Unmarried M 18 1833 Butcher's Apprentice London, Middlesex
Piece: 2392 Folio: 333 Page: 58 Registration District: Easington
Address: Shotton Colliery County: Durham
Did he marry someone between 1851 & 1861 so wasn't free to marry Catherine?
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24 Dec 2013 14:29 |
I think this is Henry in 1861 on FMP (occupation on image is Butcher) - it says he's married, but who to? Catherine is still with her parents.
KERR, Henry Head Married M 27 1834 ... London, Middlesex
Piece: 3775 Folio: 46 Page: 25 Registration District: Sunderland Civil Parish: Bishopwearmouth Municipal Borough: Sunderland
Address: 19, Sussex Street, Bishopwearmouth, Sunderland County: Durham
Ancestry have added a Mary Walsh and her children as his family but I think that may be an error and they've wrongly appended the household beneath.
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24 Dec 2013 13:50 |
Not sure that death is right Chris, I think it ties into this probate record:
Henry Kerr Probate Date: 22 Feb 1907 Death Date: 4 Feb 1907 Death Place: Hartlepool, Durham, England Registry: Durham, England
Henry Kerr, of Hartlepool. Probate to Annie Pilcher (wife of George Pilcher) - £31 4s. But they didn't appear to have a daughter Annie, and they weren' t living in Hartlepool.
I wondered about this death - although the age is about 10 years out??
Deaths Jun 1904 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- KERR Henry 63 S. Shields 10a 475
Parts of Sunderland came under South Shields until 1928.
ADDED: although none of this is helping in the original question to find their marriage!
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