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How about "The Hunters"

how about 'the ever so slight bonkers but very useful genealogy fairies' slightly wordy but sums it up!
still non the wiser re George but as they say tomorrow is another day
night all from the uk ;-)

and thanks again

Found the family on the 1871 census :-D


1871 England Census about Geo Gardner
Name: Geo Gardner
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Mary A Gardner
Gender: Male
Where born: Croydon, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Carshalton
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration District: Epsom
Sub-registration District: Carshalton
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household Schedule Number: 211
Piece: 796
Folio: 22
Page Number: 36
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary A Gardner 44 widow Hawker
N Gardner 20
Thos Gardner 18
E Gardner 14
Wm Gardner 11
Geo Gardner 9***************************
L Gardner 7
Jane Gardner 5
Ada Gardner 5 Months

I wonder?????????????????????????????????

Mary Ann Fuller

England Marriages, 1538–1973

marriage: 17 August 1842 Milton-Next-Sittingbourne, Kent, England


father:Richard Fuller
spouse:John Gardner************************************
other:Robert Gardner

NameJohn Gardner
Birth Date
Birthplace
Age
Spouse's NameMary Ann Fuller
Spouse's Birth Date
Spouse's Birthplace
Spouse's Age
Event Date17 Aug 1842
Event PlaceMilton-Next-Sittingbourne, Kent, England
Father's NameRobert Gardner
Mother's Name
Spouse's Father's NameRichard Fuller
Spouse's Mother's Name
Race
Marital Status
Previous Wife's Name
Spouse's Race
Spouse's Marital Status
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name
Indexing Project (Batch) NumberI01322-1
System OriginEngland-ODM
GS Film number1473711
Reference ID

Mo

You're five hours behind me.........it shows ;-)

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well, this has helped me make more progress in 1 day than in 10 years!
yes you are 5 hrs behind, im on my morning coffee and ive just got your latest post.
so it follows that if in 1871 if Mary Ann was a widow with a child of 5 months then George Gardner must have died late 1870 early 1871 assuming that that child was his??!!. anyone got any records for that?
im going to look at the 1861 and 1851 census later today :-)

Mornin~~~~~~~~~~


Here they are in 1861



1861 England Census


Name:Thomas Gosden[Thomas Gardner]

Age:7

Estimated Birth Year:abt 1854

Relation:Son

Father's Name:John Gosden

Mother's Name:Mary Gosden

Gender:Male

Where born:Kent, England

Civil Parish:Croydon

Ecclesiastical parish:Christchurch

County/Island:Surrey

Registration District:Croydon

Sub-registration District:Croydon

ED, institution, or vessel:23
Household Schedule Number:217
Piece:450
Folio:115
Page Number:36

Household Members:

John Gosden 46
Mary Gosden 32
Mary Gosden 14
Noah Gosden 10
Thomas Gosden 7
Elizabeth Gosden 5
William Gosden 2
George Gosden 4 Months


Just had a look at the censuses and it looks like they are all scattered around the workhouse's in 1851

Afternoon Gins and Kevin.

Had a bad night so did'nt get up till late.

I can't find John in 1841 or mary Ann if she was Mary Ann Fuller with father Richard. I was tired last night so perhaps I missed something.

Sorry-I'm all confused with this family but is this Mary Ann re-marrying?
Surrey, England, Marriages, 1754-1937 about Mary Ann Gardner
Name: Mary Ann Gardner
[Mary Ann Warne]
Age: 65
Birth Year: abt 1828
Marriage Date: 22 May 1893
Archive Provided Parish: Mitcham, St Peter and St Paul
Parish as it Appears: Mitcham
Spouse:
William Lane
Spouse Age: 78
Father: Samuel Warne
Spouse Father: James Lane
Reference Number: P40/1/22


Maureen

Hi all, sorry for absence, work called.
Anyway back to it now.
Im confused also.
I will eventually go to look at the workshouse records if I can to see if this is the case.
I do have a death certificate for a George Gardiner which fits it was in the workhouse in 1902 in croydon.
I will do a bit of searching this pm

2 hours in and still no closer

Hi Kevin

What are you looking for now, I'm a bit rusty?

Mel & Mo~~~~~~

Gin



Edit PM From: Kevin Smith
2:03 PM Re: George Gosden

hi, I cant find this record on genes reunited?

Eventually found them in hte 1861 census- in GR they are recorded as John and Mary GARDEN and then the children are recorded as GOODEN
such is the power of the transcriber for the database.

so it follows that if in 1871 if Mary Ann was a widow with a child of 5 months then George Gardner must have died late 1870 early 1871 assuming that that child was his??!!. anyone got any records for that :-D

Posted on your thread 12 Oct,

Johns death?


Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Mar 1870 (>99%)
Gardener John 60 Epsom 2a 6

yeah saw that, im just struggling thinking that he ended up in Epsom particularly if Mary Ann was pregnant and if george was born in croydon- do you think he could have been in a workshouse infirmary
Im loathed to order the cert cos its £10 a go and it could be wrong??

but thank you again for your help :-)

Hi

There is another John Gard* about the same age as your man, in Epsom on the 1861 census. However, he is still around on the 1871 census, so the above is not his death

I cannot see any other John Gard* 1861/1871, Epsom, so it looks like the death that BMD posted could well be your man

The only way to find out is coughing up £9.95, I'm afraid

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1346840