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Keith - although I think I found the right mob in 1861, what do I know, eh.

The important bit abt my post was that you should use http://www.northwalesbmd.org.uk/ as well as http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

hi Keith

it is often good to go over things when you are not sure you have gone in the right direction.

if we can help at all please do post again

perhaps if you gave us the details of Lizzie we could help you get started. You said she was born in Holyhead and the site mgnv has given you has mother's maiden names for those born in Anglesey. There are quite a few Elizabeths with mmn = Roberts over the years and a few Griffith / Roberts marriages so the time scale is quite important.

just as an extra point - as had been mentioned before indexes were not always accurate. the name could have been written as Griffiths.

Yes, Keith, family stories are often open to question.........one can liken them to 'chinese whispers' at times.

Could you please post on here the full name and birth year/birthplace ONLY of the person whose parents' marriage you are trying to find...and say whether or not you have purchased the birth cert.

You asked about Ancestry v Findmypast....

To decide which you think would be more suitable for your needs, look at their sites, and compare what they offer.

Keith,

How do you know Lizzie's parents? Do you have her birth certificate?

Do you have her marriage certificate showing father's name and occupation?



There is an Elizabeth Griffiths on a tree on Ancestry whose parents are Margaret Roberts and THOMAS Griffiths. Censuses place them in Llanllechid and there is a marriage

Marriages Dec 1863 (>99%)
Griffiths Thomas Llandilofawr 11a 1003
Roberts Margaret Llandilofawr 11a 1003

Both of these places are in South Wales rather than North....

Jude

presumably Keith has the names from his grandmother

"I remember my grandmother Lizzie the daughter of John and Margaret Griffiths saying her mums name was Roberts "

BUT

we really do need to know

WHEN

his grandmother was born (previously stated in Holyhead)

we may be on the wrong timescale and there are several Griffith / Roberts marriages

OMG so sorry for wasting everybodys time I even had the wrong name very many apologies
I have been to my great aunts today and have obtained a copy of Lizzies birth cert
she was born may 1886 in Vron Anglesey to John Griffiths and Mary not Margaret Griffiths nee Roberts
father was a coal porter
if anybody is still speaking to me I would love info on this family
a very good lesson learned do not assume anything until I have proof and take all stories told with a pinch of salt
once again many apologies :-S

The family in 1901:

1901 Wales Census
about Lizzie Griffiths
Name:Lizzie Griffiths
Age in 1901:15
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1886
Relation:Daughter
Father's Name:John Griffiths
Mother's Name:Mary Griffiths
Gender:Female
Where born:Anglesea, Holyhead

ivil Parish:Holyhead
Ecclesiastical parish:Holyhead St Cybi and St Seiriol
John Griffiths 48
Mary Griffiths 46
Owen Griffiths 28
John R Griffiths 25
Mary Griffiths 17
Lizzie Griffiths 15
Jane Griffiths 13
Hugh Griffiths 11
William Griffiths 9
Annie Griffiths 7
Ellen Griffiths 4

Possible marriage:

Marriages Dec 1872 (>99%)
GRIFFITHS John Anglesey 11b 1091
Roberts Mary Anglesey 11b 1091

1881 - John's relationship is odd because the Head of the household has transcribed separately, he is Owen Roberts:

1881 Wales Census
about John Griffith
Name:John Griffith
Age:30
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1851
Relation:
Son in Law (Head) (Head)
Where born:Llanerchymedd, Anglesey, Wales
Street Address:
Vron Village

Occupation:Fireman On Steamboat
Registration District:
Anglesey

Sub-registration District:
Holyhead

ED, institution, or vessel:10

John Griffith 30
Mary Griffith 26
Owen Griffith 8
Henry Griffith 5
John Richard Griffith 3
Margaret Griffith 1

1881 Wales Census
Name:Owen Roberts
Age:60
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1821
Relation:Head
born:Holyhead, Anglesey, Wales
Civil Parish:Holyhead
County/Island:Anglesey
Country:Wales

Street Address:Vron Village

Condition as to marriage:Widow

Occupation:Farm Labourer
Age

Owen Roberts 60

1891


Name Age
John Griffith 42 - coal heaver
Mary Griffith 34
John Richard Griffith 13
Margaret Griffith 11
Kate Griffith 9
Mary Griffith 7
Lizzie Griffith 5
Jane Griffith 3
Hugh Griffith 1

looking at the image for that 1881 of Potty's it has been mis-transcribed
should be all one household
Owen Roberts Head - widower
John Griffith - son-in-law
etc

oh bless you all for still talking to me after my major mistakes
thanks for the information :-)

Keith - we ENJOY this ha ha! And we've all been down the wrong alley I'll bet :-)

thanks I feel such a fool
I will make sure I have the certificates in future before I take anything as the facts
I questioned family and was really sent the wrong way ..nobodys fault but my own
my aunt says well she was always known as Maggie and that is short for Margaret
that will teach me
the cap is really nice I had an uncle who played Rugby for Warrington Wires (they are the Wolves now

No need to beat yourself up............it's a thing everyone has done ..........at least once

Just remember not to trust family 'stories'............lol!

The names b y which people are 'known' often bear no relation to their given names.

My late sister-in-law was 'Molly' to everyone who knew her.................it wasn't until she died that I found she was actually Irene Lucy!

no problem Keith - as they say we have all been there - worn out the t-shirt even!

I always remembered by Mum talking of her "Auntie Millie" (so I looked for Millicent) - No, she turned out to have been "Mary Elizabeth".

Yes my grandad's sister was "Aunty Molly"....Mary Elizabeth :-)

and my cousin John married a Dianne.....spent ages looking for them only to search on the surnames only to find John and Dianne were both middle names!

Jude

(if any help with 1872 Marriage, folks)

Grooms Last Name:Griffiths
Grooms First Name:John (Bachelor) (Labourer)
Grooms Fathers First Name:Henry (Labourer)
Grooms Fathers Last Name:Griffiths
Grooms Parish:
Grooms Age:21
Brides Last Name:Roberts
Brides First Name:Mary (Spinster)
Brides Fathers First Name:Owen (Labourer)
Brides Fathers Last Name:Roberts
Brides Parish:
Brides Age:19
County:Anglesey
Place / Parish:Holyhead
Marriage Year:1872
Marriage Month:Oct
Marriage Day:1
Record source:Anglesey Marriages - Transcripts
Data provider:Welsh Archive Services / Gwasanaethau Archifau Cymru

(witnesses, Owen Roberts, William Hughes. Residence at time for both, Holyhead)

Chris :)

1911
GRIFFITH, John Head Married M 61 1850 General Labourer Anglesey Llanerchymedd
GRIFFITH, Mary Wife Married38 years F 57 1854 Anglesey Holyhead
GRIFFITH, Hugh Son Single M 22 1889 Ship Fireman Anglesey Holyhead
GRIFFITH, William Son Single M 19 1892 Farm Labourer Anglesey Holyhead
GRIFFITH, Annie Daughter Single F 17 1894 Domestic Servant Anglesey Holyhead
GRIFFITH, Nell Daughter Single F 15 1896 Anglesey Holyhead
MOON, Richard Clement Grandson M 0 (8 MONTHS) 1911 Warrington
RG number: RG14
Piece: 34616
Reference: RG14PN34616 RG78PN2005 RD634 SD3 ED1 SN11
Registration District: Holyhead
Sub District: Holyhead
Enumeration District: 1
Parish: Holyhead Rural
Address: Fron Mountain Holyhead
County: Anglesey

1911 (adding Jane below)
HODSON, Henry Wilson Head Married M 47 1864 Brewery Manager Burton on Trent Straffs
HODSON, Ellem Selina Wife Married20 years F 48 1863 Garat Dunmow Essex
HODSON, Edward Wilson Son Single M 19 1892 Bank Clerk Burton on Trent Staffs
GRIFFITHS, Jane Servant Single F 22 1889 General Servant Domestic Vron Mountain Anglesey
RG number: RG14
Piece: 22416
Reference: RG14PN22416 RG78PN1322 RD455 SD5 ED10 SN290
Registration District: West Derby
Sub District: Bootle
Enumeration District: 10
Parish: Bootle cum Linacre
Address: 18 Oriel Road Bootle
County: Lancashire

Deaths Mar 1925 (>99%)
-------------------------------------------------
Griffith John 75 Holyhead 11b 728
Griffith John 74 Holyhead 11b 721


Burials (Find My Past)
Last name:Griffith
First Name:John
County:Anglesey
Place / Parish:Holyhead
Age:74
Burial Year:1925
Burial Month:Jan
Burial Day:23
Record source:Anglesey Burials - Transcripts
Data provider:Welsh Archive Services / Gwasanaethau Archifau Cymru
(abode, Fron, The Mountain, Holyhead)


Deaths Mar 1936 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------
Griffiths Mary 82 Holyhead 11b 699


Burial
Last name:Griffiths
First Name:Mary
County:Anglesey
Place / Parish:Holyhead
Age:82
Burial Year:1936
Burial Month:Mar
Burial Day:31
(abode, Fron Mountain, Holyhead)


England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966 (Ancestry)

Name: John Griffiths
Probate Date: 5 Mar 1925
Death Date: 17 Jan 1925
Death Place: Anglesey, Staffordshire, England
Registry: Bangor
(of 1, Fron Mountain, Holyhead. Probate to Hugh Griffiths Boatman. Efffects £166)

Keith Report 4 Jul 2013 13:38
Hello it is me again
I have looked of the freeBMD (I am learning) for John Griffiths born 1851 Anglesey
I can find John Griffiths but the fathers name is not Henry
I cannot find a John with a father named Henry
could somebody else look for me to see if it is there and I am not seeing it
thank you so much


(not sure if below)

1851
GRIFFITH, Henry Head Married M 42 1809 Labourer
Llanfachreth, Anglesey
GRIFFITH, Cathrine Wife Married F 39 1812
Llanerchymedd, Anglesey
GRIFFITH, Jane Daughter F 15 1836
Coedana, Anglesey
GRIFFITH, Cathrine Daughter F 13 1838
Bodwrog, Anglesey
GRIFFITH, Henry Son M 7 1844
Coedana, Anglesey
GRIFFITH, Hugh Son M 4 1847
Llanerchymedd, Anglesey
GRIFFITH, John Son M 0 (4 MOS) 1851
Llanerchymedd, Anglesey
Piece: 2520
Folio: 448
Page: 5
Registration District: Anglesey
Civil Parish: Llechgwenferwydd
Municipal Borough:
Address: High Street, Llechgwenferwydd
County: Anglesey

Chris :)

(looking on below for Birth Cert., a choice!)

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