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Not seeing Thomas after the marriage, so don't know what happened to them - other than there is a death for a Catherine Dewhurst in Preston 1857, age 23 which could be her.

Have you any idea what happened to the other son John (1839) not mentioned since the 1841 census?

you are right about the Catherine in the 1861 census you posted Flip.

lancsbmd shows on both children's birth reg mmn = Bibby

There were a lot of Dewhursts in the Chlitheroe & Ribchester areas

There are 2 Dewhurst/Gregory births, Alice 1858 and Jane 1861 - but they are with parents William & Sarah in 1861 - and with Sarah and her mother in 1871. (Sarah married for the third time, her mother called Mary Gregory.)

So, it looks likely Thomas/Catharine did not have children locally, or one of them died and the other re-married?? Or they emigrated?
:-S

this is another Thomas/Catherine marriage which could also be the Catherine who died 1857 - there was a son born 1857

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1850
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
DEWHURST Thomas READ Catherine Blackburn, St Mary the Virgin (Blackburn Cathedral) Blackburn CE12/13/363

can't find any other Dewhurst/Read births after 1857

Ann, was the birth you found for John? It's just that it was in Accrington, (which came under Haslingden reg district) but Catherine died in Preston in Q2/57 - not impossible, but is it likely?

yes it was - I agree I was clutching at straws. I did not think that Catherine was that common a name at that time. Why did so many seem to marry a Dewhurst, as if there was not enough Dewhursts in the Preston area to complicate things - still are!!

another straw

Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1848
Surname Forename(s) Age Sub-District Registers At Reference
DEWHURST John 10 Preston Preston PRES/37/65

The trouble is there seems to be some flitting between Preston & the Blackburn area

the John son of John & Eliz (Blezard) was born Blackburn area in 1838 - or was that one the son of Roger & Suzanna (blezard)??????????

Yes, it could be John's death, but maybe Ann has already eliminated or confirmed it. Will have to wait for confirmation from her. She appears to have checked the burial records.

Ann, like you say too many Dewhursts around to be really sure of anything! :-S

Gosh a lot of catching up to do. You have been so busy while I was sleeping.

I think these must be the same Thomas
Burial: 25 Dec 1870 St Wilfrid, Ribchester, Lancashire, England
Thomas Dewhurst -
Age: 33
Abode: Blackburn
Grave: Old Yard?
Buried by: R. H. Townley
Register: Burials 1859 - 1890, Page 85, Entry 680
Source: LDS Film 9402

Lancashire BMD
1870 Thomas age 33, Blackburn

I have John Dewhurst christened March 27, 1839, St Johns Preston. son of John occ. overlooker & Betty 4 Bolton St. (Not carder).
I looked for him on the 1851 census as I didn't know of his death in 1848.

"The trouble is there seems to be some flitting between Preston & the Blackburn"

There certainly does.

(and still are) These Dewhurst ancestors are a pain why were there so many with the same names in and around Preston. I suppose though if it was simple there would be no satisfaction of what we have achieved.

I had a look on Ancestry but of course didn't get anywhere with not being a subscriber anymore. I did notice that there are now quite a few that say John is the son of James and Jane Greenall, mmmmmmmm still I'm not convinced :-S as Clyton isn't Ribchester and one would think that one of the children would have been called James or Jane after them.
I shall have a good look at www.mundia.com/us/ maybe that will answer some questions.

Thank you again
Ann

I think the John born Blackburn is the son of Roger/Susannah, christened 1/4/38, whereas "our" John was christened 27/3/39. The death posted by Ann looks likely, the other John was still with his parents in 1851.

Think you are right to doubt John (Snr) parentage on those trees.

Just been looking back to see if we've missed anything, and had another look at the 1851 census image. I'm not convinced the age says 61, although that is how it is transcribed - it looks more like 64 or 66 to me.

Take a look, I know that would throw the age in 1841 - but maybe he lied to narrow the age gap as his wife was on 35 ish. It would also change the search parameters for finding his death.

If he is older than originally thought that would favour the christening in Leyland posted earlier in the thread - mother Jane, abode Clayton.

Added: Just looked at the opening post, and you had John age 66 on the 1851 census & I think FMP have transcribed it as 64.

I agree that it looks more like age 66 on the image - aged 21 years since 1841?? It's no wonder he is difficult to pin down.

When I can next get to the Lancs archives I will see if I can find a pre 1858 will for John.

Bearing in mind the 1841 census rounded everyone's age down, he may have lopped 10 years off his age as his wife was rather younger than him. I've come to believe men are even worse than women lying about their ages ;-)

There looks to be 3 deaths in Preston that could be possible if he were 64/66 in 1851 -

1854 age 69
1862 age 73 (think this may have already been eliminated??)
1865 age 79

I know it's been suggested that they moved between Preston and Blackburn, but John didn't seem to move anywhere and his son-in-law/daughter were still in Preston in 1861 - Benjamin died there age 45.

Ann appears to have the Dewhurst Preston burials from censearch - so maybe she can check out those 3.

"Think you are right to doubt John (Snr) parentage on those trees"
Oh thank you Plip, you have made my day, John son of Jane was to me the only John it could be, it fits beautifully maybe a little older than I thought he should be but he was my best bet.
But when everyone else says different of course you think everyone else must right and I'm wrong.
Just to confuse things totally
There is also a John Dewhurst born about 1777 Lr Darwen, occ. carder marrying Betty Edge 22 Aug 1802, perfect but far to old but their children are called more or less the same names.

John's first wife everyone thinks it's Elizabeth Fox but me, they haven't got the 2 children Robert and John or maybe they know something I don't or has everyone copied the first person.

I have seen so many John Dewhurst's I now will have look who was on the census's in 1851 and 1861 for the other two. Are they Preston ? I think the 1862 was from Crown street.
I have a death cert for John in Ribchester age 72 in 1868 NOT him cotton weaver.
1854 Preston age 69 labourer NOT him as he was on the 1851 census he was born Dutton

I thought John's age was 66 also and Susannah's is also wrong.

I couldn't get anywhere with the mundia web site as someone else has my email address "me from a few years back" I presume as I have an unusual email address.

So sorry I'm a bit rushed, to many things happening here, I can't answer tomorrow either.

Thank you also LancashireAnn going to all that trouble.

Lots of <3 <3 for everything your doing for me
Ann

Hi Ann,

When you get time to check those deaths, they were all registered as the Preston sub district on Lancsbmd, so the right area. Benjamin and Susannah had moved to 71 Ribble Bank by 1861 (She was still there in 1871), so a burial could be from that address if not from Bolton Street.

The lan-opc site has a gap in burials at St John's 1828-1857, 1862 &1863 so not much help there. It has the burial for Benjamin though, 29/12/1870.

Lancashire archives appear to have those missing records (not guaranteed as sometimes there are a few gaps in the dates listed. they also have MI's for St John's.

Time I sorted out some of my own research and paid a visit. I don't go as often as I used to since I paid a sub to ancestry as I used to go to gain access to it there.

according to the electoral register John was at 3 Bolton St in 1832 (he is the only carder in the list)

Hi LancsAnn, (confusing the poster is Ann as well!) Still it doesn't take much to confuse me these days ;-) Looks like the birth you posted with mother Jane is the most likely for him - good find by the way.

I think Ann referred to cemsearch - so I assumed she had paid for the Dewhurst records for old Preston burials, though she didn't actually say that.

Only way to find the death is via the RO by the looks of it. Think now I would lean towards the 1854 death - despite his children's marriages not stating deceased. During his lifetime (from 1st child to 1851) he never appeared to move from Preston, so I think the answer will lie there.

I too lean towards that 1854 one. I was hoping that there would be a will. There is none listed in lancat but I don't think they are all on there.

I think cemsearch only covers Preston Municipal Cemetery so may be worth looking at MI's for St John & St Peter

No you're right I'd tried Lancat as well. The only hope is the burial record and like you say not necessarily at St John's. Although that i where I would have thought the most likely place to find him!