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sorry - just realised I said I had posted 2 children's reg above

here is the missing one

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1841
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
DEWHURST James Preston Preston BLEAZARD PRES/16/54

the 1872 death of a John age 82 was of John living (and Buried) in Whalley. There is also a probate index record which states probate to Jane Dewhurst spinster daughter, the sole executrix

Once again thank you so much.

Every bit helps, John didn't have a dau. called Jane.

I haven't got John on the 1861 census.

He isn't with his children,
Susannah b1821 now Greenwood,
Betty b1824 now Brewer,
or William b1835 now in lower Darwen with wife Margaret & Family.

Thomas I don't know where he is in 1861.

Dau. Nancy I think died after 1841 (2 died 1844-5)

From the IGI, I dismissed 2 John's born Claughton one1789 Duhurst (not Dewhurst) born to Leonard and Jane and John b1791 son of Thomas and Helen because they were baptised in a Catholic church and not Church of England.

Thank you
Ann

Maybe a clue :-S
I have found a marriage of Thomas Dewhurst to a Catharine Gregory in 1855
St John's Preston. Thomas father John occupation Carder,
Witness William Dewhurst & Elizabeth Blackhurst
Sounds quite positive John occ. Carder with brother William as witness. also Dover St was the address William (his brother lived at 1855 when he married)

Catharine's father was John, "deceased"
BUT
it doesn't say "deceased" for John Dewhurst.
SO
sounds like John was still alive and that narrows it down a little.

On the down side I looked for a death for John from 1855 -1861 and there was 59 in Lacashire.

I don't stand a chance of finding him do I :-(

Cheers
Ann

Did you search deaths on LancashireBMD site, they have transcribed the age at death (not available on freebmd), they also record the sub-districts.

Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1845
Surname Forename(s) Age Sub-District Registers At Reference
DEWHURST Nancy 18 Preston Preston PRES/25/57

no burial shown on lan-opc

Never give up hope Ann, I'm not really convinced that he died before 1861 - we just can't find him on the census records - and that could be for a variety of reasons, he maybe was mis-transcribed or simply the census return is missing.

As he was in the same road for a number of years maybe a census address check could throw up more??

I also feel as if he was still around in 1861. But maybe wishful thinking, hoping for another clue.

I've given up trying to find John so many times trying to take him back a bit further but I just put his file back on the shelf until I think of yet another way I might be able to get a clue.

I have done an address search for Bolton Street Preston in 1861 and the surrounding streets.

When I first started looking for John it was done the hard way on film looking from Street to Street, so much easier these days with the computer programs.

Thank you for Nancy's information. The age for her is perfect, I now have another entry for her albeit a death.

I shall go through the deaths on Lancashire BMD and eliminate them, then try and hopefully find them on the 1851 census so I can discount them.

I have so many Dewhurst from Cemsearch in Preston Cemetery but he's not there.

Thank you, you are so kind spending your time looking for me.
Ann

goo luck. There are a few possibles. I did try trying to match with a probate but not too much luck.

Don't you wish that our ancestors who had a surname which was very common in an area would have a nice unusual forename! My bugbear is John & Mary Greenwood, though even the ones called Greenwood Greenwood are not uncommon in the area!

Greenwood Greenwood, why on earth would you call someone that, and who would have thought that that name would be repeated.

All generation's after William (b: 1835) were thoughtful they called one of their son's Cornelius not to many with that name, where that name came from I don't know. That was another avenue I tried without any luck.

Cheers Ann

Have you checked out William's marriage in 1867 to Ellen Ainsworth (nee Ostick), see how he described his father?

Marriage: 15 Apr 1867 St John the Evangelist, Darwen, Lancashire, England
William Dewhurst - 32, Book keeper, Widower, Star Street
Ellen Ainsworth - Full, Widow, Hacking Street
Groom's Father: John Dewhurst, Manager
Bride's Father: William Ostick, Shoemaker
Witness: William Ostick; Sarah Dixon
Married by Banns by: Henry Headley Moore, Curate
Register: Marriages 1865 - 1879, Page 25, Entry 50
Source: LDS Film 1526205

EDIT: Pretty sure this is the wrong family - different Thomas/Catherine - will leave for elimination purposes.

Thomas lied about his age if that marriage you've posted is him (which looks likely with the address etc), I wondered if this was them in 1861 - but his birth place is wrong??

Catherine Dewhurst
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Thomas Dewhurst
Gender: Female
Where born: Wigan, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Wigan
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
Town: Wigan
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration District: Wigan
Sub-registration District: Wigan
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 59
Piece: 2774
Folio: 76
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Dewhurst 28 (carder, born Clitheroe)
Catherine Dewhurst 27
Mary Ellen Dewhurst 2
John Dewhurst 9 Months

just for extra detail - the marriage of John's daughter Betty

Marriage: 3 Feb 1844 St John, Preston, Lancashire, England
Thomas Brewer - 20, Spinner, Bachelor, Bolton St
Elizabeth Dewhurst - 20, Roller Coverer, Spinster, Bolton St
Groom's Father: Late John Brewer, Weaver
Bride's Father: John Dewhurst, Overlooker
Witness: Benjamin Greenwood, (X); Susanna Dewhurst, (X)

is this William's 1st marriage?

Marriage: 28 Jul 1855 St John, Preston, Lancashire, England
William Dewhurst - 20, Carder, Bachelor, Dover St.
Margaret Finch - (X), 22, Weaver, Spinster, Golden Square
Groom's Father: John Dewhurst, Carder
Bride's Father: John Finch, Watchmaker
Witness: George Addison; Mary Noblett, (X)

what connects the 2nd marriage in Darwen to your family please?

A tree belonging to DavePennington1 on ancestry has copies of both of William's marriage certificates - on the 1867 one to Ellen he does not state deceased for his father.

If you don't have a sub, you can view the tree through Mundia - there is quite a lot of documentation attached.

But I realize from your initial post you already have this marriage.

None of this get's you closer to finding his birth or death. :-(

to show the Dewhurst / Aisworth connection

1871 living in Over Darwen


Name Age
William Dewhurst 36
Ellen Dewhurst 42
Elizabeth Jane Dewhurst 14
Cornelius Dewhurst 13
Arthur Dewhurst 10
Sarah A Ainsworth 9
Alfred Ernest Ainsworth 6

It gives me so much peace of mind when someone else is helping, when your doing it and getting nowhere, you come to think "have I missed something or have I gone wrong somewhere"

I had contacted David Pennington in the past, he has been looking for the illusive John Dewhurst also, I'm sure he won't mind but I shall ask permission to view where he is up to with them.
I'm no longer with Ancestry, I changed to Findmypast.

The occupation Manager on William & Ellen's marriage threw me into a spin, as I didn't know about William's 2nd marriage until the censuses came on line, I was just looking for John occupation carder.
Now if I had done it correctly by Working Backwards, I would have been looking for William, birth 1835 with father John occupation Manager.

Quite puzzling Thomas's age is 3 years out and born Clitheroe, that's a worry, also his occupation was a mechanic not a carder as he was on this census in 1861.
Sending for the marriage cert. won't give me any more information than what I have ??

William died in 1866 living in Eccles, Manchester.

Thank you, for all your support.

Ann

Hi Ann,

Not sure if you are aware of this, but you don't need ancestry sub to view the public member trees, use their other site - you need to register, but it's free.

http://www.mundia.com/us/

Dave hasn't got anywhere with John, but he has quite a lot on William and his 2 wives.

The marriage for Thomas does look likely, although age is out - he possibly lied because he would have been a minor - and younger than his wife - and just kept up the pretence. Both his and William's occupations in 1851 were what looks like Cotton Shipper but not sure on the second word so not sure where mechanic came from either.

"Cotton shipper" might be "cotton stripper", which was an engineering job, according to this:

http://www.andrewalston.co.uk/cottonindustryjobs.html.

And there's this:
"Strippers and grinders were among the highest paid operatives in the carding sector. "
http://www.spinningtheweb.org.uk/m_display.php?irn=21&sub=working&theme=people&crumb=Mill+workers

I'm pretty sure the 1861 census I posted for Thomas/Catherine is the wrong family. There was another marriage in 1855 in Wigan for Thomas Dewhurst and Catherine Bibby - which I think the census relates to.