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This is confusing!!
1911 same address as 1881 but different wife. Says married 19 years so 1892 the year he married Janet Kirk Bleackley. No marriage found to the 1911 lady, Maria. It is Maria who is mentioned in Williams probate that Gins found.

EDIT.....1911 reads Mercia as in Williams Probate

1911


Name Relation Condition /
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where born Image
THOM, William Head Married M 45 1866 Steam Engine Builder Blackburn Lancashire VIEW
THOM, Maria Crossland Wife Married19 years F 43 1868 Blackburn Lancashire VIEW
CARTER, Edith May Servant Single F 39 1872 Domestic Wolverhampton Staffordshire VIEW
ROBINSON, Winnifred Nancy Servant Single F 21 1890 Domestic Cleaton Moor Cumberland VIEW
BRANTHWAITE, Elizabeth Servant Single F 18 1893 Domestic Lamplugh Cumberland VIEW RG number: RG14 Piece: 25031 Reference: RG14PN25031 RG78PN1435 RD474 SD4 ED5 SN65 Registration District: Blackburn Sub District: Blackburn Northern Enumeration District: 5 Parish: Blackburn Address: Athol House West Park Road Blackburn County: Lancashire

It's not Maria it's Mercia...Patchem/Susan - is this why your posts have been/are being deleted?

Jude

It was Mercia !!!

This is the marriage:

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1891
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
THOM William HEYWORTH Mercia Crosland Blackburn Register Office or Registrar Attended Blackburn RM/109/198

Dea x

So who the flip was the William and Janet marriage in 1892 that ties up with the address and right children in 1901 but is still the same address in 1911 but now with Mercia.

Did he marry Mercia in 1891 leave her and marry Janet in 1892 and then some time between 1901 and 1911 go back to Mercia

I have completely lost the plot now. :-D

Yes, I think the plot has been lost here :-D :-D

We started off with Mary Jane - she died a spinster and Sir William Thom KBE administered her estate. - This William was born c 1866.

Her father William was born c 1843. He was the one who married Penelope etc.

There are two Williams connected to her - one her father, and the KBE one who married Mercia.

Dea x

Suspect William KBE is her brother.....there is an immigration record in 1931 of William with Mercia travelling with Frank born 1874

Jude

Yes Jude,

He was the son of William and Penelope Stowe.

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1865
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
THOM William Blackburn Blackburn STOWE B/113/24

Dea x

Bingo!

71 England Census about William Thone
Name: William Thone
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Thone
Mother's Name: Penelope Thone
Gender: Male
Where born: Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Blackburn
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Blackburn
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Blackburn
Sub-registration district: Blackburn
ED, institution, or vessel: 47
Household schedule number: 131
Piece: 4178
Folio: 15
Page Number: 27
Household Members:
Name Age
William Thone 28
Penelope Thone 27
William Thone 6
Mary J Thone 3
Harry Thone 2

So still doesn't explain why Mary Jane is alone with five servants in 1911. And why she is shown as daughter!

The William who married Mercia iwas the one with the KBE and lived at Athol House, West Park Road Blacburn

1901 for William and Mercia


Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation
Disability Where born Image
THOM, William Head Married M 35 1866 Mechanical Engineer
Blackburn, Lancashire VIEW
THOM, Mercia C Wife Married F 33 1868
Blackburn, Lancashire VIEW
HEYWORTH, Mercia M Niece Single F 10 1891
Blackburn, Lancashire VIEW
HEYWORTH, Catherine M Niece Single F 7 1894
Blackburn, Lancashire VIEW
CARTER, Edith M Servant Single F 29 1872 Cook Domestic
Wolverhampton, Staffordshire VIEW
STEEL, Margaret Servant Single F 30 1871 Housemaid Servant Domestic
Liverpool, Lancashire VIEW Piece: 3904 Folio: 85 Page: 45 Registration District: Blackburn Civil Parish: Blackburn Municipal Borough: Address: 11, Athol House, West Park Road, Blackburn County: Lancashire

No it doesn't Jude but 'well found' anyway !!!!! ;-) :-D :-D :-D :-D

I think I will go and cook lunch and come back to this later when I have 'unfuddled' my head with a glass of wine :-D

Dea Xxx

Just for Jude.

No, extra bit added to a census, nothing to do with Maria/Mercia.

To everyone else:

I was waiting for Kenneth to return as he is a new poster and may want to do a little himself.

So William junior 1865 took over his dads house hence the same address keeps coming up

Sir William Thom, K.B.E., of Athol House, West Park Road, Blackburn, was educated privately, then in Switzerland and Owen's College, Manchester. Honorary Colonel of the 3rd Lancashire Volunteer Artillery, he joined in 1871 and later commanded for seven years prior to 1902. A member of Chorley Rural District Council, he also served as Poor Law Guardian. Director of the Birkacre Colliery Co. Ltd. c. 1903. (Pike, W. T. ed. Lancashire at the opening of the 20th Century; Contemporary Biographies, Brighton, 1903.)

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
Name: Dame Mercia Crossland Thom
Probate Date: 21 Feb 1950
Death Date: 4 Dec 1949
Death Place: Blackburn
Registry: Lancaster, England

The Moorings, 7 Gorse Rd

Probate to: Edward Lawrence Heyworth, cotton manufacturer £6843 5s 1d

Probate for William 1843 Mary Janes father says

THOMAS William of Dutton Manor died 13/08/1913 probate to William, Henry and Frank Thomas mechanical engineers £128,089.6s.7d Resworn as £127,987.7s.10d

So he was at this address in 1913
Also the Enumerators list say for this address "Gentlemans Residence, W Thom Esq". But under population of house it does say 6 females. o I think somehow he was not written on the census but this would explain why Mary Jane is down as daughter

Probate for Janet


Name: Janet Kirk, widow, Thom of Lynwood, Woodhams Lane, West Byfleet, Surrey.
Probate Date: 25 Oct 1916
Death Date: 21 Sep 1916
Death Place: Surrey, England
Registry: London, England
Probate granted to William Bleackley and John Arthur Bleackley esquires.
Effects £1892.7s 7d. Resworn £1981 9s 8d

Is the bottom line of all discussion resolved in that Dutton Manor was owned by W Thom Esq in 1911 and she was his daughter

That being the case then my interest is waining and my tree remains un-eventfull.

Thanks to all

kenneth :-)

history of the hall

http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=53187
In the Clayton family the manor descended regularly, (fn. 4b) coming about 1400 to the Belfields of Clegg in Rochdale. (fn. 5) From their heirs the manor was acquired in or about 1578 by Sir Richard Shireburne of Stonyhurst, (fn. 6) and descended in due course to Thomas Weld, who became a cardinal in 1829, and in 1831 sold Dutton to Joseph Fenton of Bamford Hall, a manufacturer and banker of Rochdale. (fn. 7) Mr. Fenton, who also purchased the adjacent manors of Bailey and Ribchester, died in 1840, (fn. 8) and was succeeded by his son James, who in turn at his death in 1857 was succeeded by his eldest son, also named James. He died in 1902, the present lord of the manor of Dutton being his eldest surviving son, Mr. Robert Kay Fenton, born in 1853.

1901
Richard Kay Fenton
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James Fenton
Gender: Male
Where born: Lyonen, Cheshire, England
[Lymm, Cheshire, England]

Civil parish: Dutton
Ecclesiastical parish: Ribchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Preston
Sub-registration district: Alston
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 43
Piece: 3960
Folio: 36
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
James Fenton 83 retired barrister b. Crunble Bur, Lancashire, England
Beatrice Fenton 37
Richard Kay Fenton 47
Ella Mary Fenton 30
Richard J K Fenton 5
Mary Monk 59
Helen R Kennedy 19
Mary R Stewart 25
Edith Loy 30
James T Brockbank 18

probate

Name: Richard Kay Fenton
Probate Date: 15 Feb 1916
Death Date: 18 Aug 1915
Death Place: Lancashire, England
Registry: Lancashire, England
of Stoneleigh Dutton

to Ella Mary Fenton and Henry Greenal esq.


1911

Name: Richard Kay Fenton
Age in 1911: 57
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Grappenhall, Cheshire, England
Civil parish: Kensington
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 67 Oakwood Court, Kensington W
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 16
Estimated Marriage Year: 1895
Occupation: ESQUIRE - PRIVATE MEANS
Registration district: Kensington
Registration District Number: 2
Sub-registration district: Kensington South
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Piece: 90
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Kay Fenton 57
Ella Mary Fenton 40
Richard James Kay Fenton 15
John Webb 37
Katherine Mary Grove 28
Lavinia Waller 37
Martha Wallbank 47