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22 Apr 2013 09:25 |
hopefully some of this will spark your interest
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22 Apr 2013 09:24 |
Richard Kay Fenton DGR/A/47 1904-1919
These documents are held at Cheshire and Chester Archives and Local Studies Service
Contents: Conveyances, leases etc. re prem. on Ribchester Estate and at Smithy Bridge, Butterworth, par. Rochdale (Clegg Hall Estate), co. Lanc. Includes tenancy agreements re Dutton Manor Estate with rental particulars, 1907-1909 and requisitions on title, 1919.
Richard Kay Fenton DGR/A/49 c.1808-c.1920
These documents are held at Cheshire and Chester Archives and Local Studies Service
Contents: 'Deeds book' or schedule of indentures re prem. at Clegg Hall, Eafield, Birchanley, Castle Rake, Roadsford et al, co. Lanc. 18c-19c [n.d.]. 'Field Book' or lists of prem. with tenants by township, n.d. Dutton Manor Estate ledger re £5,000 improvement fund, 1908 [1 page only completed]. Dutton Manor capital account book, 1909-1914. Sales particular and plan re Dutton and Ribchester estates, 1911. Schedule of prem. on Dutton and Ribchester estates, 1911. Copy valuation of estate at Bailey and Aighton, n.d. (R K Fenton) and at Bailey, Aighton and Ribchester, 1879 (Joseph Fenton). Tenancy agreement forms [blank, 2 copies], n.d. Correspondence re estates, c. 1905-c.1920. Index to title numbers at Dutton, n.d. Copy plan of intake at Ribchester, John Johnson's prem. by W Miller, 1808 [Eatough's Estate]. Plan and elevation of 2 semi-detached houses, unidentified, 8':1", n.d. Deeds re Plantation Farm, Dutton, co. Chester; marriage settlement papers (to Miss E Williams); copy will, c.1894.
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22 Apr 2013 09:09 |
probate
Name: Richard Kay Fenton Probate Date: 15 Feb 1916 Death Date: 18 Aug 1915 Death Place: Lancashire, England Registry: Lancashire, England of Stoneleigh Dutton
to Ella Mary Fenton and Henry Greenal esq.
1911
Name: Richard Kay Fenton Age in 1911: 57 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Grappenhall, Cheshire, England Civil parish: Kensington County/Island: London Country: England Street Address: 67 Oakwood Court, Kensington W Marital Status: Married Years Married: 16 Estimated Marriage Year: 1895 Occupation: ESQUIRE - PRIVATE MEANS Registration district: Kensington Registration District Number: 2 Sub-registration district: Kensington South ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Piece: 90 Household Members: Name Age Richard Kay Fenton 57 Ella Mary Fenton 40 Richard James Kay Fenton 15 John Webb 37 Katherine Mary Grove 28 Lavinia Waller 37 Martha Wallbank 47
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22 Apr 2013 08:58 |
1901 Richard Kay Fenton Age: 47 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854 Relation: Son Father's Name: James Fenton Gender: Male Where born: Lyonen, Cheshire, England [Lymm, Cheshire, England] Civil parish: Dutton Ecclesiastical parish: Ribchester County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View image Registration district: Preston Sub-registration district: Alston ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 43 Piece: 3960 Folio: 36 Page Number: 6 Household Members: Name Age James Fenton 83 retired barrister b. Crunble Bur, Lancashire, England Beatrice Fenton 37 Richard Kay Fenton 47 Ella Mary Fenton 30 Richard J K Fenton 5 Mary Monk 59 Helen R Kennedy 19 Mary R Stewart 25 Edith Loy 30 James T Brockbank 18
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22 Apr 2013 08:56 |
history of the hall
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=53187 In the Clayton family the manor descended regularly, (fn. 4b) coming about 1400 to the Belfields of Clegg in Rochdale. (fn. 5) From their heirs the manor was acquired in or about 1578 by Sir Richard Shireburne of Stonyhurst, (fn. 6) and descended in due course to Thomas Weld, who became a cardinal in 1829, and in 1831 sold Dutton to Joseph Fenton of Bamford Hall, a manufacturer and banker of Rochdale. (fn. 7) Mr. Fenton, who also purchased the adjacent manors of Bailey and Ribchester, died in 1840, (fn. 8) and was succeeded by his son James, who in turn at his death in 1857 was succeeded by his eldest son, also named James. He died in 1902, the present lord of the manor of Dutton being his eldest surviving son, Mr. Robert Kay Fenton, born in 1853.
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22 Apr 2013 08:18 |
Is the bottom line of all discussion resolved in that Dutton Manor was owned by W Thom Esq in 1911 and she was his daughter
That being the case then my interest is waining and my tree remains un-eventfull.
Thanks to all
kenneth :-)
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21 Apr 2013 15:12 |
Probate for Janet
Name: Janet Kirk, widow, Thom of Lynwood, Woodhams Lane, West Byfleet, Surrey. Probate Date: 25 Oct 1916 Death Date: 21 Sep 1916 Death Place: Surrey, England Registry: London, England Probate granted to William Bleackley and John Arthur Bleackley esquires. Effects £1892.7s 7d. Resworn £1981 9s 8d
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21 Apr 2013 13:18 |
Probate for William 1843 Mary Janes father says
THOMAS William of Dutton Manor died 13/08/1913 probate to William, Henry and Frank Thomas mechanical engineers £128,089.6s.7d Resworn as £127,987.7s.10d
So he was at this address in 1913 Also the Enumerators list say for this address "Gentlemans Residence, W Thom Esq". But under population of house it does say 6 females. o I think somehow he was not written on the census but this would explain why Mary Jane is down as daughter
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21 Apr 2013 12:38 |
England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966 Name: Dame Mercia Crossland Thom Probate Date: 21 Feb 1950 Death Date: 4 Dec 1949 Death Place: Blackburn Registry: Lancaster, England The Moorings, 7 Gorse Rd
Probate to: Edward Lawrence Heyworth, cotton manufacturer £6843 5s 1d
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21 Apr 2013 12:25 |
Sir William Thom, K.B.E., of Athol House, West Park Road, Blackburn, was educated privately, then in Switzerland and Owen's College, Manchester. Honorary Colonel of the 3rd Lancashire Volunteer Artillery, he joined in 1871 and later commanded for seven years prior to 1902. A member of Chorley Rural District Council, he also served as Poor Law Guardian. Director of the Birkacre Colliery Co. Ltd. c. 1903. (Pike, W. T. ed. Lancashire at the opening of the 20th Century; Contemporary Biographies, Brighton, 1903.)
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21 Apr 2013 12:08 |
So William junior 1865 took over his dads house hence the same address keeps coming up
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21 Apr 2013 12:08 |
Just for Jude.
No, extra bit added to a census, nothing to do with Maria/Mercia.
To everyone else:
I was waiting for Kenneth to return as he is a new poster and may want to do a little himself.
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21 Apr 2013 12:04 |
No it doesn't Jude but 'well found' anyway !!!!! ;-) :-D :-D :-D :-D
I think I will go and cook lunch and come back to this later when I have 'unfuddled' my head with a glass of wine :-D
Dea Xxx
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21 Apr 2013 12:02 |
The William who married Mercia iwas the one with the KBE and lived at Athol House, West Park Road Blacburn
1901 for William and Mercia
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Disability Where born Image THOM, William Head Married M 35 1866 Mechanical Engineer Blackburn, Lancashire VIEW THOM, Mercia C Wife Married F 33 1868 Blackburn, Lancashire VIEW HEYWORTH, Mercia M Niece Single F 10 1891 Blackburn, Lancashire VIEW HEYWORTH, Catherine M Niece Single F 7 1894 Blackburn, Lancashire VIEW CARTER, Edith M Servant Single F 29 1872 Cook Domestic Wolverhampton, Staffordshire VIEW STEEL, Margaret Servant Single F 30 1871 Housemaid Servant Domestic Liverpool, Lancashire VIEW Piece: 3904 Folio: 85 Page: 45 Registration District: Blackburn Civil Parish: Blackburn Municipal Borough: Address: 11, Athol House, West Park Road, Blackburn County: Lancashire
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21 Apr 2013 11:59 |
Bingo!
71 England Census about William Thone Name: William Thone Age: 6 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865 Relation: Son Father's Name: William Thone Mother's Name: Penelope Thone Gender: Male Where born: Blackburn, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Blackburn Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity Town: Blackburn County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Blackburn Sub-registration district: Blackburn ED, institution, or vessel: 47 Household schedule number: 131 Piece: 4178 Folio: 15 Page Number: 27 Household Members: Name Age William Thone 28 Penelope Thone 27 William Thone 6 Mary J Thone 3 Harry Thone 2
So still doesn't explain why Mary Jane is alone with five servants in 1911. And why she is shown as daughter!
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21 Apr 2013 11:57 |
Yes Jude,
He was the son of William and Penelope Stowe.
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1865 Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference THOM William Blackburn Blackburn STOWE B/113/24
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21 Apr 2013 11:53 |
Suspect William KBE is her brother.....there is an immigration record in 1931 of William with Mercia travelling with Frank born 1874
Jude
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21 Apr 2013 11:49 |
Yes, I think the plot has been lost here :-D :-D
We started off with Mary Jane - she died a spinster and Sir William Thom KBE administered her estate. - This William was born c 1866.
Her father William was born c 1843. He was the one who married Penelope etc.
There are two Williams connected to her - one her father, and the KBE one who married Mercia.
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21 Apr 2013 11:43 |
So who the flip was the William and Janet marriage in 1892 that ties up with the address and right children in 1901 but is still the same address in 1911 but now with Mercia.
Did he marry Mercia in 1891 leave her and marry Janet in 1892 and then some time between 1901 and 1911 go back to Mercia
I have completely lost the plot now. :-D
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21 Apr 2013 11:38 |
It was Mercia !!!
This is the marriage:
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1891 Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference THOM William HEYWORTH Mercia Crosland Blackburn Register Office or Registrar Attended Blackburn RM/109/198
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