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Alviegal, my apologies - I misread the post and didn't realise the different dates.

But - on the 1913 list Louisa is 28, not 38 so I think it IS the same Louisa.

But who is Lloyd? Where Louisa is going to her husband in Chinchilla for him it says father and ditto for address so he must be their child?

This may help a bit. The record on fmp has LLoyd as 11 months old not 11.

Britain: outbound passenger lists leaving UK 1890-1960 - person transcript
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Name: Lloyd JONES
Date of departure: 25 October 1913
Port of departure: Liverpool
Destination port: New York
Destination country: USA
Date of Birth: 1913 (calculated from age)
Age: 11 Months
Marital Status:
Sex: Male
Occupation: Infant

Accepting what you say, where was Lloyd born in 1912? In 1913 when he was 11 months the family lived in Chincilla Pa.
Can anyone tell me whether there is a Law Society of North America which holds records of Attorneys and to which I can apply for info about griffith jones?
I have considered whether he is an American attorney or a Solicitor from the U.K. who just answered " attorney" when asked in the States what his work was.
With thanks

He was born in Carmarthen but I'm finding it difficult to find anything at all.

Maybe Griffith Jones was just on the same ship and was not actually related?

Like the UK, there is no national set of laws - each state/country has its own set, supplemented by some federal/national laws. So to practise law in some state, you must have a licence (or some equivalent word) from that state's Bar Association.

Google them - e.g., here's PA: http://www.pabar.org/

Tend to agree with Alviegal that it was just someone of the same surname on that ship.

I've looked for Griffith Jones' travelling back and forth across the Atlantic and there were quite a lot born around the same time, including a marine engineer, a housewife, an electrician, a painter .....

O.K. I'm persuaded that it WAS the same Louisa and so Lloyd was a new- born son of David. However the only birth ref I can find in Carmarthen (assuming she went home to be with her Mum for the birth ) is for a D. Lloyd Jones for Oct/Nov/Dec 1912. This could well be David Lloyd Jones (named after Dad) so why on the Ellis Island extract do they call him Lloyd Spencer? May not be important- but it has at least drawn me to the conclusion that he WAS Louisa and David's son.
I wonder who cared for Minnie and Arthur ( mentioned on the ship manifest of 1910) whilst Loiusa returned to Wales to have Arthur?
Whatever the answer to that and it is unlikely that we'll ever know, I want to know what happened to Lloyd as until now I thought David and Louisa only had 2 children - Minnie and Arthur. David's draft information in 1917 says that he has two children and we know that Minnie and Arthur lived to a good age.
In 1915 there is a Lloyd S. Jones shown in the census in NY State. Aged 2 Binghampton Ward Broome NY. Can't find David or Louisa there. It says that further details are on ancestry.com . Does anyone have access to this? I think it likely that Lloyd dies before 1917.
Thank you mgnv- the address has changed to www.philabar.org. Really interesting site- so many Welsh names amongst the "greats". I agree with the above that Griffith was probably just a spare Jones on the same ship but I'll keep it in mind and pursue the question with the Philadelphia Bar ( and also with the Law Society in London.)
As a matter of interest , have you any idea how old someone would have needed to be in order to be a qualified attorney in 1913?. I see reference further back in the Philadelphia list to people qualifying at 17.

Frances, on the arrival manifest of 1913 whoever filled the form in wrote Spencer's name directly underneath Louisa's, they must then have realised there was a Lloyd Jones to insert so they've crossed out Spencer's name and then written in Lloyd, they've then put Spencer below that. That's how the confusion has arisen.

David's draft may simply have meant that he had two living children, Lloyd may have died.

Personally (but I may be wrong), I agree you may be on a wild goose chase with Griffith Jones but does no harm to pursue even if to eliminate for peace of mind.

The Lloyd S Jones in NY 1915 was the son of a David S and Sarah J Jones, all born in the US.

Looking for Lloyd has taken me in another direction(although I'm no further forward in respect of him than I was).
I will come back .
Thank you all

Back again. Fast forward one year and I am about to travel to DC and Philadelphia to visit the graves of David T. Jones in Fort Lincoln DC and Arthur in Arlington
As I am now making the journey I am wondering if there are any buildings connected with my family history which I can visit and I have a few more questions.
1. Spencer Curwen Jones was naturalised on the 28th May 1918 Court - Middle district of Pennsylvania. He lived at 1118 Price St. Can anyone tell me if this is Philadelphia or Scranton and is the building still in existence?

2. Spencer Curwen married his wife Alice (possibly nee Davies also from Wales)in about 1915-1917. I have a note that this was in Philadelphia but I don't know where I got this note from or whether it is accurate. Can anyone point me to any repository of marriage records which may help?

3. In the same vein my maternal great-grandmother was born in Philadelphia in 1883 in an area called Twaddles Court which no longer exists.Despite the fact that there was a large Welsh community in Pennsylvania then there is little information about now.
The family were very likely to have christened their daughter and I would love to vist the place of worship where that happened. Are there baptism records held any where accessible on line?
Many thanks to anyone who may read this and be able to help

To get a US record, I'ld first go to http://www.cyndislist.com/us/ then pick the state and proceed thence.

Chinchilla was abt 5km N of Scranton - both are in Lackawanna Co in the NE corner of PA, abt 200km N of Philadelphia which is in the SE corner of PA.

There is a Price St in Scranton - 1118 seems to be half a block W of Main St.
Check out https://maps.google.com/