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Alfred F Mullenden married Vera Bebbington
Tonbridge Kent
J/A/S 1934 2a 3163.

I would think this is 99% possibility.

Vera Bebbington A/M/J 1913 mum nee Hulse
Natwich
Cheshire
8a 586

Alfred frederick Mullenden born 2/7/1912 died Lambeth 1981
Alfred frederick Mullender July 1912 in Tonbridge Kent mum nee Mason.
One in the same person I think.

Alfred remarried Dec 1938 to Elizabeth Hoban.

Maryb.

Thank-you again Maryb!

I'm going to go and see my father now and drop this bombshell on him!

By the way, I think he would want to go and visit his mother's grave if it could be found. Is there any way of finding out where someone is buried? You probably know this, but it doesn't give any information about burial on the death certificate.

possible brother to Vera

Birth transcript details Civil registration event: Birth

Name: BEBBINGTON, Raymond
Registration district: Nantwich
County: Cheshire
Year of registration: 1918
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Mother's maiden name: Hulse
Volume no: 8A
Page no: 438

Vera's parents were Robert Edward Bebbington 1889- 1962 Crewe Cheshire and Annie hulse married 1912.
Annie died 1940 and he remarried Miss Kitchen

Roberts parents were Edward Bebbington 1833 a Gamekeeper and Elizabeth born 1847.

Raymond Bebbington died Crewe 2009.

Not sure you how to find burial place,but I'am sure someone else could advise were to look.

Marybx

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grove_Park,_Lewisham

http://www.gpcg-ringway.org.uk/GroveParkHistory.htm


have you tried Grove park Cemetery

http://www.lewisham.gov.uk/contact-us/Pages/contact.aspx?directoryid=264&source=%2Fcontact-us%2Fpages%2Fcontacts-a-to-z.aspx%3FLetter%3DG%26Page%3D1

Burial and cremation records
Lewisham's Bereavement Services office holds over 430,000 burial and cremation records from Lewisham cemeteries and Hither Green Crematorium.

The borough's records are not available in electronic format, but staff can do a search of the records for a fee of £33 for up to three names.

Thanks again Maryb!

Out of interest, how did you work out the names? When I put Hulse and Bebbington into free BMD, I had at least 4 marriages in Nantwich.

Eleanor

Hi Eleanor,got marriage info off Ancestry,that being the only one in Nantwich for the correct timeline.


Maryb.

Wow, this has progressed!, well done.

http://cheshirebmd.org.uk/

(above might be useful)

Chris :)

Thanks again everyone!

I think I probably need to get hold of the Mullenden / Bebbington marriage certificate for confirmation?

Chris - I found the birth certificate for Vera Bebbington on the website you mentioned. Do you know what further info I might get if I order it from them rather than the GRO?

...Just a trivial coincidence to finish....When I went to see my father with the death certificate etc, he told me that Anna 'Watkins' (our Olympic gold medal winning rower) had the maiden name 'Bebington'!

Hi Eleanor,I think whichever site you get the birth cert from it will have the same info.
Only difference will be the price.I think the GRO is the cheapest.

Maryb.

More help please? - Ansell/Watkins family. I'm not sure if I should post this as a new thread somewhere else?
My grandfather, William F Watkins (22.05.1904) had 4 sisters, Dorothy Rose (6.2.1894, East Ham), Mabel Victoria (11.5.1897, Essex), Elizabeth Winifred (17.10.1899, Barking) & Effie Caroline (4.6.1901, Essex). The youngest girls (and William) were in an orphan house in Bristol for 7 years and the family had adresses in Devizes, London & Somerset.
I found a possible marriage of Dorothy to a Leonard Sullivan in 1915 and in IGI record (that I can no longer find online) a death 15.04.1976.
I found a death record for an Elizabeth W Watkins (age 53) in Bristol, 1953.
Effie appears to have married Charles A Ansell in Bristol, 1923 and had the following possible children: Janet Ansell (1923 Bristol), Anthony Ansell (1924 Woolwich), Susan Ansell (1935 Wantage), Patrick Ansell (1934 Wantage), John J Ansell (1936 Wantage). Then a second marriage to Michael J Gaule ( in 1937, Wantage) and another child, Terence Gaule (1938 Wantage).
Is it possible to find out if any of these Ansell / Gaule or other children are still alive? I'd love to know more about my grandfather and the family from them. I left a John Ansell a message on GR as he has an Effie Watkins in his tree - but I haven't had a reply...
Any help / suggestions would be really appreciated!

here's Dorothy's marriage

Civil registration event: Marriage

MarriageFinder™: Leonard Sullivan married Dorothy R Watkins

Name: SULLIVAN, Leonard
Registration district: Devizes
County: Wiltshire
Year of registration: 1915
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name Watkins
Volume no: 5A
Page no: 280

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Name: WATKINS, Dorothy R
Registration district: Devizes
County: Wiltshire
Year of registration: 1915
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Sullivan
Volume no: 5A
Page no: 280

Thanks tempest! I don't suppose there is any way of telling if Leonard Sullivan was Corporal in WW1? I have a photo of a woman (dimple in chin is a family trait) with a man in uniform. He is a corporal and has a star cap badge which could be Cheshire regiment or Army Service Corps or ....? The photo was taken at 'The Parisian Studios, 27 Church St. Liverpool'. But I could be on the wrong track...!

Hi all - a quick update on Vera / Veronica Bebbington / Beddington / Watkins!

I've received a reply from somone who is the daughter of a Raymond Bebbington and who had an auntie who was Vera Bebbington. Vera married a Wilf Eccleshaw and had one daughter. She died 25 / 30 years ago. Vera and Raymond's mother was Annie Hulse...So it doesn't look as though I've got my grandmother's family yet.

I've applied for the Mullenden / Bebbington marriage certificate to see if that gives me any other names to look for!

Eleanor

Any advice on where I go from here please?

I've got the marriage certificate with the following details:
Marriage solemnized at: the Register Office, Tonbridge, Kent
No. 144
Eleventh August 1934
Name: "Alfred Frederick Mullenden"
Age: "23 years"
Condition "Bachelor"
Profession: "Overseer in Gred (??) Mines"
Residence: "105 Silverdale Road, Tunbridge (??) Wells"
Father's name: "Alfred Mullenden"
Profession of father: "froom"??? (doesn't look like G for groom)
Name: "Vera Bebbington"
Age: "22 years"
Condition: "Spinster"
Profession: "Domestic servant"
Residence: "51 Maderia Park, Tunbridge (??) Wells
Father's name: "- 641 (??) Bebbington" ('a' in name was crossed out & replaced with e) word underneath a scrawl but could be "(deceased"... ?
Father's profession: "unknown"

The word "Four" and the registrar's initials appear to be written by the last box

Witnesses : Mrs ?? Annie Ashby, Percy ??W Ashby

If this is Veronica Watkins / Mullender's marriage certificate she obviously changed her name and the she was probably poor, so maybe I won't find out who her parents or family were?

Any help / suggestions or advice (even "give up"!...) gratefully received.

Eleanor

Possibly the Ashby family? Doesn't help though.

1911 England Census

Name: William Henry Ashby
Age in 1911: 52
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Tunbridge Wells, Kent
Civil parish: Tunbridge Wells
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street Address: 55 Madeira Park, Tunbridge Wells
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Bank Cashier Retired Pensioner
Registration district: Tonbridge
Registration District Number: 50
Sub-registration district: Tunbridge Wells

William Henry Ashby 52
Ellen Ashby 42
Philip Theodore Ashby 5
Cicely Ellen Ashby 2
Marguerite Emily Dunk 16
Eliza Ann Avis 51

Just to complicate things!!

Name: Percy W Ashby
Spouse Annie Mullender
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1928
Registration district: Tonbridge
Inferred County: Kent
Volume Number: 2a
Page Number: 2594

Don't want to stray to far along the Mullender route, but this might be father- in which case groom would fit. Note daughter Annie.

1911 England Census
Name: Alfred Mullenden
Age in 1911: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Ingham, Kent, England
Civil parish: Paddington
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 11 Somers Mews, Radnor Place, Hyde Park
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: COACHMAN
Registration district: Paddington
Registration District Number: 1
Sub-registration district: Paddington South

Alfred Mullenden 30
Millicent Mullenden 29
Kathleen Mullenden 3
Annie Mullenden 2
Harry Grenham 24

Thanks Jan! So it looks like the witnesses were probably Alfred's sister and brother- in-law. I'm pleased to have the confirmation that Alfred's father was a 'groom'. Just filling in the gaps makes me feel I'm moving forward!
Eleanor

Edit...In the box for Vera, where it says Father's Name and Surname is the following:
"-(4)
Bebbington"
Then the scrawl which may / may not read deceased