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Charles with Job and Sarah in 1841 census?


1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Clay Bottom, St George, Clifton, Gloucestershire, England

Job Stinchcombe Male 37 1804 Gloucestershire, England <<<<<<
Sarah Stinchcombe Female 41 1800 Gloucestershire, England <<<<
Emma Stinchcombe Female 19 1822 Gloucestershire, England
James Stinchcombe Male 16 1825 Gloucestershire, England
Charles Stinchcombe Male 14 1827 Gloucestershire, England <<<<<
Maria Stinchcombe Female 12 1829 Gloucestershire, England
Will Stinchcombe Male 6 1835 Gloucestershire, England
Ann Stinchcombe Female 3 1838 Gloucestershire, England
Robt Stinchcombe Male 0 1841 Gloucestershire, England

Job is a labourer

EDIT: On the 1841 census image, James Wilshire and his family including Hester/Esther, the future bride of Charles Stinchcombe, r are on the right hand page, on the left hand page in Clay Bottom can be found Job and Sarah Stinchcombe and several of their children, including Charles, so Hester/Esther. was vitually the 'girl next door' for Charles in 1841.

Charles was born Winterbourne according to census 1851, was his father also born there?

Name: Job Stinchcombe
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 2 Oct 1803
Christening Place: Winterbourne, Gloucestershire, England
Father's name: James Stinchcombe
Mother's name: Mary

Probate?:

Name: Job Stinchcombe
Probate Date: 11 Jan 1886
Death Date: 23 Sep 1885
Death Place: Gloucestershire, England
Registry: Bristol

The will of Job Stinchcombe late of Claybottom in the parish of St George in the county of Gloucester yeoman who died 23rd September at Claybottom was proved at Bristol by James Stinchcombe of 1b Smeaton St barrow in Furness in Lancaster and Robert Stinchcombe of Ridgeway Road Fishponds in the county of Gloucester labourers the sons the executors.

Deaths Sep 1885 STINCHCOMB Job 81 Barton R. 6a 60

Might this be the James and Mary from the baptism of Job, posted previously, still in Winterbourne in 1841?


1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Winterbourn Down, Winterbourne, Clifton, Gloucestershire, England

James Stinchcomb Male 65 1776 Gloucestershire, England
Mary Stinchcomb Female 70 1771 Gloucestershire, England
John Luton Male 45 1796 Gloucestershire, England

Bear in mind ages of adults were supposed to be rounded down to nearest five years in census 1841.

There is however, this more likely candidate for William Henry?

Name: William Henry Stinchcombe
Registration Year: 1852
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Thornbury
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 151

so I may have been barking up the wrong family tree up till now.

However I note that in the 1891 census, the William in Wales has children named Charles and Easter/Ester, so could they be named for his parents, if he was the William Henry baptised in 1849?


1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Canal Parade, St Mary Cardiff, Cardiff, Glamorganshire, Wales

William Stinchcombe Head Married Male 40 1851 Ship Fireman Bristol, Somerset, England
Elizabeth Stinchcombe Wife Married Female 39 1852 Tailoress Bristol, Somerset, England
Charles Stinchcombe Son - Male 9 1882 Scholar Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales<<<<<<<
Easter Stinchcombe Daughter - Female 8 1883 Scholar Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Elizabeth Stinchcombe Daughter - Female 6 1885 Scholar Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales

'Easter' is Esther in the 1901 census:

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census

17, Sophia Street, St Mary, Cardiff, Glamorganshire, Wales

Elizabeth Stinchcombe Head Married Female 49 1852 - Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
Charles Stinchcombe Son Single Male 19 1882 General Dock Labourer Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales
Esther J Stinchcombe Daughter - Female 17 1884 Cardboard Box Maker Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Elizabeth A Stinchcombe Daughter - Female 15 1886 Cardboard Box Maker Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales
George Robins Boarder Single Male 37 1864 Ship Fireman Bristol, Gloucestershire, England

???

Births Sep 1883 STINCHCOMBE Esther Jane Cardiff 11a 269

Possible marriage for William [Henry] and Elizabeth in Cardiff, note father's name is CHARLES Stinchcombe. William is aged 20, which tallies with birth c 1848/9:

First name(s) ELIZABETH
Last name MOUNTJOY
Birth year 1849
Marriage year 1868
Marriage day 28
Marriage month Mar
Marriage place CARDIFF, ST JOHN
Spouse's first name(s) WILLIAM<<<<<<<<<<
Spouse's last name STINCHCOMBE<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Groom's age 20
Groom's father's first name(s) Charles<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Groom's father's last name Stinchcombe<<<<<<<<<<<<
Bride's age 19
Bride's father's first name(s) John
Bride's father's last name Mountjoy
County Glamorganshire
Country Wales
Record set Glamorgan Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain

William is a fireman, which tallies with his occupation of Ship's fireman in the 1891 census. Charles Stinchcombe is an engineer, and John Mountjoy a blacksmith.

This might be Elizaeth in census 1851:

Name: Elizabeth Mountjoy
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Daughter (Child)
Father's name: John Mountjoy
Mother's name: Jane Mountjoy
Gender: Female
Where born: Clifton, Gloucestershire, England
Civil Parish: Bideford
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
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County/Island: Devon
Country: England

John Mountjoy 36 c1815 Bideford, Devon, England
Jane Mountjoy 36 c1815 Devonport, Devon, England
Claudene Mountjoy 3 c1848 Clifton, Gloucestershire, England
Elizabeth Mountjoy 1 c1850 Clifton, Gloucestershire, England
George Mountjoy 6 Mo c1850 Bristol, Gloucestershire, England

John Mountjoy is a journeyman blacksmith, which tallies with his occupation on Elizabeth's marriage in Cardiff 1868.

EDIT: Given John Mountjoy's occupation and place/year of birth in this census, this looks like a good baptism for him:

First name(s) John
Last name Mountjoy
Birth year 1814
Birth date 19 Jun 1814
Baptism year 1814
Denomination Anglican
Baptism place Bideford
Father's first name(s) John
Father's occupation Blacksmith<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth
Residence Bideford
County Devon
Archive South West Heritage Trust
Record set Devon Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from Great Britain

This is Charles and Esther Stinchcombe in 1881, note Charles is an engineer, as was William Stinchcome's father Charles Stinchcombe on the 1868 Cardiff marriage:

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Hairdresser & Tobacconist, 235, Hotwell Road, Clifton, Barton Regis, Gloucestershire, England

Charles Stinchcombe Head Married Male 49 1832 Engineer (E&m) St George's, Gloucestershire, England <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Esther Stinchcombe Wife Married Female 49 1832 - St George's, Gloucestershire, England

In census 1871, married Elizabeth Stinchcombe, a fireman's wife according to the census image, is living in Clifton, Bristol

Census 1871

Name: Elizabeth Stinchcombe
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Clifton; Bristol
Civil Parish: Clifton
Ecclesiastical parish: Clifton
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Registration district: Clifton
Sub-registration district: Clifton
ED, institution, or vessel: 4a
Household schedule number: 318
Piece: 2540
Folio: 28
Page Number: 49

Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Stinchcombe Head. Fireman's wife 21 c1850 Clifton; Bristol
Grace C Mountjoy boarder 23 c1848 Clifton; Bristol

I suspect Grace C the boarder is actually Elizabeth's sister, named Claudene in the 1851 census I posted earlier, with parents John the Blacksmith and wife Jane.

Births Sep 1847 MOUNTJOY Grace Claudine Clifton 11 248

This looks like Hester/Esther Wilshire in 1841, before her marriage to Charles Stinchcombe. Note that in the 1851 census I posted on page 1 of this thread, Charles and Esther , and children William and Sarah were also living in Clay Hill, St George, Clifton [Bristol]. Apparent father here is James, which tallies with the 1848 marriage..

1841:


1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Clay Hill, St George, Clifton, Gloucestershire, England

James Wilshire Male 39 1802 Gloucestershire, England Mason<<<
Sarah Wilshire Female 38 1803 Gloucestershire, England
Hester Wilshire Female 14 1827 Gloucestershire, England<<<<<<
Will Wilshire Male 12 1829 Gloucestershire, England
John Wilshire Male 8 1833 Gloucestershire, England
Thomas Wilshire Male 6 1835 Gloucestershire, England
Saml Wilshire Male 2 1839 Gloucestershire, England

Same family in 1851, as Wiltshire, for birthplaces:


1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Fishponds Road, Stapleton, Clifton, Gloucestershire, England

James Wiltshire Head Married Male 50 1801 Stone Mason Stapleton, Gloucestershire, England
Sarah Wiltshire Wife Married Female 50 1801 - St George's, Gloucestershire, England
William Wiltshire Son Married Male 22 1829 Stone Mason Stapleton, Gloucestershire, England
Mary Ann Wiltshire Daughter-In-Law Married Female 20 1831 Washerwoman Stapleton, Gloucestershire, England
Samuel Wiltshire Son Unmarried Male 11 1840 Morton Boy St George's, Gloucestershire, England
James Wiltshire Son Unmarried Male 9 1842 Morton Boy St George's, Gloucestershire, England

EDIT: On the 1841 census image, James Wilshire and his family are on the right hand page, on the left hand page in Clay Bottom can be found Job and Sarah Stinchcombe and several of their children, including Charles, so Hester/Esther. was vitually the 'girl next door' for Charles in 1841.