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Looking for the family of Ellen Harpham before her mariage to Charles Marrison in 1870.Ellen was b.1843 Worksop Nottinghamshire.In 1861 Ellen is living Gate Ford Rd. with her mother Elizabeth b.1811 Retford Notts.with them are two grandchildren of Elizabeth a Thomas Harpham b.1859 and a Jane Harpham b.1854.Thank you

What do you mean by family?

Was Elizabeth married?

For reference ONLY


Name: Ellen Harpham
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Harpham
Gender: Female
Where born: Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil parish: Worksop
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Registration district: Worksop
Sub-registration district: Worksop
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 157
Piece: 2419
Folio: 105
Page Number: 25
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Harpham 50
Ellen Harpham 18
Thomas Harpham 2
Jane Harpham 7

1861 census for reference -

HARPHAM, Elizabeth Head Widow F 50 1811 Agricultural Labourers Widow West Retford, Nottinghamshire VIEW
HARPHAM, Ellen Daughter Unmarried F 18 1843 Bone Button Driller Worksop, Nottinghamshire VIEW
HARPHAM, Thomas Grandson M 2 1859 Worksop, Nottinghamshire VIEW
HARPHAM, Jane Granddaughter F 7 1854 Worksop, Nottinghamshire VIEW

Piece: 2419
Folio: 105
Page: 25
Registration District: Worksop
Civil Parish: Worksop
Municipal Borough:
Address: 111, Gateford Road, Worksop
County: Nottinghamshire

If she knew her father, his details will be recorded on her marriage cert

County Nottinghamshire
Place Worksop
Church St Mary (Priory)
RegisterNumber
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 23 Jan 1842
Forename Helen
Sex F
FatherForename
MotherForename Elizabeth
FatherSurname
MotherSurname HARPHAM
Abode Union workhouse
FatherOccupation Singlewoman
Notes
FileNumber 13782

A possible

Thank you for your replies.The 1861 census is only what i managed to find.I dont think the two grandchildren of Elizabeth on this sencus were the children of Ellen so i am presuming that Ellen must have had other siblings and Elizabeth is given as a widow

hi lexie
dont know whether this is of any use have found a marriage in west retford where ellen mother was born between francis harpham to elizabeth burton 27 11 1832 west retford
found this baptism elizabeth harpham to francis and elizabeth 20 5 1833 east retford father labourer of moss s row

Hello still stuck.When i first posted this thread i was looking for a Ellen Harpham b 1842.It now looks possible that Ellen was in fact a Ellen Whiteley who married a joseph Harpham before her marriage to Charles Marrison.In 1861 Ellen is living with Elizabeth Harpham mother of Joseph b1841.No Joseph on census.With Ellen and Elizabeth are a Thomas Harpham b 1858 and a Jane Harpham who is said to be seven but now wonder if it should have said 1 they are the grandchildren of Elizabeth.In 1871 Jane is gone but Thomas is still with Ellen and is said to be nephew.I wonder if you can help me find the siblings of Joseph Harpham so i can trace their parentage.As far as i can tell they were born Worksop Notts.Thank you

Births Dec 1858 (>99%)
HARPHAM Thomas Harpham Baxter Worksop 7b 25

Births Mar 1860 (>99%)
HARPHAM Jane Maria Worksop 7b 26

Either one will show the parents

Why the sudden change of direction with Ellen? In 1861 she is shown as unmarried and she would have been very young to have been widowed

Jude

You need the marriage cert to see who she names as her father (Whiteley or Harpham?)

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Marriages Dec 1870 (>99%)
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Harpham Ellen Worksop 7b 85
Hopkinson Harriett Worksop 7b 85
MARRISON Charley Worksop 7b 85
Stanton John Worksop 7b 85

1881


name: Charley Morrison
age: 40
gender: Male
birth year: 1841
birthplace: Blyth, Nottinghamshire, England
relationship to head of household: Head
marital condition: Married
profession/occupation: General Labourer
address: 111 Gateford Road
census place: Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England



wife Ellen Morrison 38 Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England
son John Harpham16 Sheffield, Nottinghamshire, England
daughter Ann Morrison 9 Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England
son George Morrison 6 Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England
son William Morrison 5 Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England
son Thomas Morrison 3 Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England
daughter Mary Morrison 1 Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England

This is Thomas' marriage

Marriages Sep 1886 (>99%)
Harpham Jane Maria Brighton 2b 392
Harpham Thomas Brighton 2b 392

In 1891, 1901 and 1911 censuses they are in Notts but son Arthur T was born in Brighton and daughter Gladys in Peckham

The marriage you refer to was 1860 yet the one you found is unmarried in 1861 ???



Marriages Dec 1860
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Harpham Joseph Worksop 7b 55
Kennewell John Worksop 7b 55
Marsh Fanny Worksop 7b 55
Mellars Elizabeth Worksop 7b 55
Pearson George Brown Worksop 7b 55
Pickering Helen Worksop 7b 55
Whiteley Ellen Worksop 7b 55

Lexie

Who are you actually researching?

Which of the people you name is your PROVEN relative?

ooerr..I can't find a death that fits Jane the grandaughter...I hope that Jane Maria the wife of Thomas is not Jane a grandaughter with Thomas being grandson!! Suppose they could be cousins?

:-S

I started looking at Ellen another way after finding a tree on ancestry.The tree had a Elllen Whiteley married to a joseph Harpham about 1860.I looked this up and found marriage for 1860.When Ellen married Charles marrison on the 1871 census ther are three children Ann Harpham b 1862 Emily Harpham b 1866 and a John H Harpham b 1864 given as step children to Charles marrison so Ellen must have been married to a Harpham unless all children born out of wedlock.Dont know anything about parents for Ellen.I want to find siblings of Joseph Harpham to trace Thomas and Janes parents.The search as brought me to this a Thomas Harpham married a Jane Harpham both from worksop in 1877 in Brighton they had two children then moved back to Worksop and had another son.Is this the same Thomas and Jane .I know the way to go is Certs but this is not my tree so had hoped to trace siblings of Joseph another way.Thank you for your help

Advise the person whose tree it is to buy the 1870 marriage cert

You can't, in any case, rely on trees on Ancestry........many of them are complete fiction

Guesswork is dangerous ground.

Birth cert is the way to be sure.


Births Dec 1858
HARPHAM Thomas Harpham Baxter - Worksop 7b 25


Not seeing a birth for Jane in the name of Harpham

(Jane Maria born in 1860 is 6 years out)

1871 England Census

Name: Charles Morrison
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Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ellen Morrison
Gender: Male
Where born: Blyth, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil parish: Worksop
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Worksop
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Registration district: Worksop
Sub-registration district: Worksop
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 120
Piece: 3459
Folio: 74
Page Number: 24
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Morrison 29
Ellen Morrison 28
Ann Harpham 9
John H Harpham 7
Emily Harpham 5
Thomas Harpham 13 Nephew