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Sorry, but your latest post has left me very confused...............

PLEASE just say WHO you are researching..........and give some proven facts about that person

I take it that Joseph is your line, or is it Jane and Thomas you are related to ?

".I want to find siblings of Joseph Harpham to trace Thomas and Janes parents."

Mike I think the Jane in the 1861 census is 1 not 7....she comes after Thomas and normally they go down in age?

I posted the two births above and I really think they could be the two who marry in 1886!

I can find Jane 1861 right through to 1911 if the married Jane is her..can't find Thomas in 1881

Lexie...IF Ellen was married to a Harpham why is she shown as a daughter and unmarried in 1861?

Jude

Mike*

None of these is people Lexie's line..................it isn't her family

Yes, sorry, I should have said "interested in" not " related to"

name: Thomas Harpham
event: Census
event date: 31 Mar 1901
gender: Male
age: 42
relationship to head of household: Head
birthplace: Worksop, Nottinghamshire
registration district: Worksop
sub-district: Worksop
ecclesiastical parish: St Mary & St Cuthbert
civil parish: Worksop
county: Nottinghamshire


name: Jane M Harpham
event: Census
event date: 31 Mar 1901
gender: Female
age: 41
relationship to head of household: Wife
birthplace: Worksop, Nottinghamshire
record type: Household
registration district: Worksop
sub-district: Worksop
ecclesiastical parish: St Mary & St Cuthbert
civil parish: Worksop
county: Nottinghamshire
Nottinghamshire, England


Don't have the details of anyone else in the household sorry

Thank you all very much a couple of certs will have to be bought.I am doing this tree for my sister in law.Does anybody know how you find out who lived at an address at a certain time.I have a Gertrude Harpham daughter of John H son of Ellen living at 7 George St Worksop in 1911.In 1927 i have a Arthur T Harpham son of Thomas and jane returning with his wife and family from South Africa to 14 George St worksop.I just wondered who was the house holder at the time.

You will need to check the ER for the period.......either at the main library for the area, or the County Records Office

If you could explain who you're looking for............it might be possible to help you

Just give the factual info about them..............don't muddy the waters by introducing speculation

Hello all Obtained marriage cert for Ellen Harpham and Charles marrison but dont seem to get any further forward.Ellen Harpham 27 Spinster father James Harpham Labourer Witnesses Annie Marrison and Henry Spencer married December 1870 .All parties living Worksop married Abbey Church.So that makes it sound tas if Ellen wasnt a Whiteley.Children on 1871 Census John H Emma and Ann given as step children of Charles Marrison so they must be children of Ellen and born out of Wedlock.Cant find Ellen and father James with mother Elizabeth only Ellen and Elizabeth in 1861.Cant find a death for a James Harpham either he must have died before 1861 as Elizabeth is a widow.Can any body help.Thank you

Lexie - you seem to be speculating and working down the tree. The ONLY way is to start with a hard and fast relative and work up the tree.

So...who have you/your sister-in-law STARTED with?

Hello Ive started with Edmond Bland b 1932 Wakefield his mother was Dorothy Humphries Marrison 1909/1996 Her father was George Marrison 1874/1956 his father was Charles marrison 1841 married to Ellen Harpham

This tree may or may not be proved but posting it for you to think about.

She woudn't be the first to lie about being a spinster. My Gt grandmother did, and married for the 2nd time under her maiden name


Ellen whiteley/Harpham

Birth 1843 in Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England
Death Apr 1896 in Nottinghamshire, United Kingdom


Parents
James Harpham
Elizabeth -1811

1860
Age: 17 - Marriage to Joseph Harpham. Worksop,
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children of Joseph and Ellen :

Thomas Harpham 1858 –
Jane Maria Harpham 1860 – 1931
Ann Harpham 1862 –
John H Harpham 1864 – 1910
Emily Harpham 1866 -

1870 Dec
Age: 27 - Marriage to Charles Marrison
Worksop, Nottinghamshire
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children of Charles and Ellen :

Annie Marrison 1872 –
George Marrison 1874 – 1956
William Marrison 1876 – 1905
Thomas Marrison 1878 –
Mary Marrison 1880 –
Joseph Marrison 1882 –
Henry Marrison 1883 -

The earlier posted marriage may be misleading... there are 2 other parties so maybe it was a double wedding rather than an inter-marriage !
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Marriages Sep 1886

Harpham Jane Maria - Brighton 2b 392
Harpham Thomas - Brighton 2b 392
SPRAGUE Edwin - Brighton 2b 392
TELLICK Louisa - Brighton 2b 392

Mike - but you can find a Thomas and Jane MAria together..I couldn't find Thomas with Louisa?

Could "Whiteley" be a middle name?

Jude

Anything's possible .. from half siblings or cousins marrying to a bigamy cover-up.

Strange that the tree has her father AND 1st husband as both being Harpham.

Another tree has mother Elizabeth as Harpham and NO father for Ellen.

I would be very interested to see who the father is named as on this certificate


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Marriages Dec 1860

Harpham Joseph Worksop 7b 55 <<<<<<<<<
Kennewell John Worksop 7b 55
Marsh Fanny Worksop 7b 55
Mellars Elizabeth Worksop 7b 55
Pearson George Brown Worksop 7b 55
Pickering Helen Worksop 7b 55
Whiteley Ellen Worksop 7b 55 <<<<<<<<<<<<



that's if the pairing is correct !

As posted 21 September

Births Dec 1858 (>99%)
HARPHAM Thomas Harpham Baxter Worksop 7b 25

Births Mar 1860 (>99%)
HARPHAM Jane Maria Worksop 7b 26

Either one will show the parents

I think both would be interesting....and the marriage

Marriages Sep 1886 (>99%)
Harpham Jane Maria Brighton 2b 392
Harpham Thomas Brighton 2b 392

would be useful too...

Thank you for your help.The tree Mike said to look at sounds like mine on ancestry ?I have tried to look at this from every angle.I managed to trace John H Harpham to his death Emma Harpham untill 1881 where she is living at Travellers Rest on Gatesford Rd Ellen and Charles also live Gatesford Rd Can not find Ann after 1871.I managed to trace Thomas Harpham in 1861 said to be grandchild of Elizabeth living with Jane Harpham also said to be grandchild and Ellen said to be daughter of Elizabeth.A Thomas Harpham Married a Jane Harpham both from Worksop in Brighton they had two children before going back to Worksop they then had a further son.Chidren of marriage Arthur T Harpham b 1878 Brighton M a Winifred Kent they had three children .Emigrated to S Africa before 1927 returned 1928 to 14 George St Worksop 1938 returned to Danesfield Rd to his sister Gladys Harpham.The third child of Thomas and Jane was a Jack Harpham who married a M A Raley in 1933 Worksop as far as i can tell no children.Gladys Harpham never married and died Danesfield Rd.What relationship did Thomas /Jane /Ellen have.Where are James/Elizabeth and Ellen before 1861

So Lexie - like I said...Thomas and Jane Maria's birth certificates and the Brighton marriage would throw a lot of light over your tree :-)

Jude

Hope you don't mind, Lexie............but solid blocks of text are a nightmare

Thank you for your help.
The tree Mike said to look at sounds like mine on ancestry ?
I have tried to look at this from every angle.

I managed to trace John H Harpham to his death

Emma Harpham untill 1881 where she is living at Travellers Rest on Gatesford Rd Ellen and Charles also live Gatesford Rd

Can not find Ann after 1871

I managed to trace Thomas Harpham in 1861 said to be grandchild of Elizabeth living with Jane Harpham also said to be grandchild and Ellen said to be daughter of Elizabeth.

A Thomas Harpham Married a Jane Harpham (both from Worksop) in Brighton.
They had two children before going back to Worksop they then had a further son.

Chidren of marriage Arthur T Harpham b 1878 Brighton M a Winifred Kent
they had three children .

Emigrated to S Africa before 1927 returned 1928 to 14 George St Worksop 1938 returned to Danesfield Rd to his sister Gladys Harpham.

The third child of Thomas and Jane was a Jack Harpham who married a M A Raley in 1933 Worksop - as far as i can tell no children.

Gladys Harpham never married and died Danesfield Rd.

What relationship did Thomas /Jane /Ellen have.

Where are James/Elizabeth and Ellen before 1861