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1851?? you mention a mothers maiden name ?could this be the family note lodger's surname ?
RG number: HO107
Piece: 2177
Book: 67
Page: 41
Reg. District: Liverpool
Sub District: St Martins
Parish: Liverpool
Enum. District: ?
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 8, Court, Wright Street, Liverpool
County: Lancashire
CONNOR, Michael Head Widower M 30 1821 Bricklayers Labourer
Ireland
CONNOR, Catherine Mother Widow F 63 1788 Housekeeper
Ireland
CONNOR, Thomas Son M 8 1843
Ireland
CONNOR, John Son M 3 1848
Liverpool
Lancashire
FAHEY, Lawrence Lodger Unmarried M 19 1832 Bricklayers Labourer
Ireland

jan

saw this one and thought the same. But this Michael is already widowed so how did his wife give birth to Ann three years later? :-(

Jude

To Ann, Jude and Jan.
Just back on and found messages, thanks very much,
Jude, the other three children of Edward and Ann Marsh that died were twins Hannah and Gertrude, i died 2 days and other 5 days in October 1883 and another girl Mary died 26 days in December 1886.
Looking at all the info sent, I wondered if Michael married twice, but we have never heard of Ann having brothers or sisters, story through the family is that Ann's Mother died giving birth or very soon after. Interesting to see the name Fahey on the census though as my Dad's cousin did say Ann's Mothers maides name was Feahy or Leahy!! Getting more of a mystery by the minute!! I would love to find Ann's Mother as she is the only branch that I have not been able to find. Thanks again to all. Teresa . :-S

To LancashireAnn.
The family you put up in 1881 is the correct one.That is also where Edward and Ann married in 1875.
Teresa :-)

nudge up

The 1911 census is frustrating. I have so many children born and died between censuses. And as the mmm was not part of the bmd record before 19111 - little or no chance!! Without knowing where in Ireland Michael was born you are on a slippery slope! Connor born Ireland landed Liverpool is very very common. Your best chance is Ann's birth certificate

Jude

wonder about this birth?

Name: FAHEY, Ann
Registration district: Liverpool
County: Lancashire
Year of registration: 1855
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume no: 8B
Page no: 92

a marriage with a missing female name
Name: CONNOR, Michael
Registration district: Liverpool
County: Lancashire
Year of registration: 1856
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 8B
Page no: 472
MarriageFinder: Michael Connor married one of the following people:

CUNNINGHAM, Eliza
WINN, James

Jude. I can't get a birth certificate for Ann because I don't know her exact date of birth and would have to purchase quite a few and eliminate them and they are too expensive to buy and then not be the right one.
The O'Connor family came from around Blackwater, Co Wexford, I do know that much.

Jan. Good of you to find me a bit more information.It is very frustrating to be so near but not find that vital piece of the jigsaw!!

Teresa x

in that 1856 marriage Michael actually married the female listed

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1856
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
CONNOR Michael CUNNINGHAM Eliza Liverpool, Register Office or Registrar Attended Liverpool REG_LP/65/83

where were edward and Ann married

These are the only two in Liverpool in 1854


Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Sep 1854 (>99%)
Connor Ann Liverpool 8b 94
Births Dec 1854 (>99%)
Connor Ann Liverpool 8b 50

What age did she give when getting married?

Jude

there is also the possibility Ann was not registered, Liverpool was an area where many births were not registered before it was compulsory.
eg
this baptism is of one that would have been registered right on the limit of the 6 weeks allowed but should have been in the June qtr

Baptisms: 21 May 1854 St Patrick, Toxteth, Lancashire, England
Mary Ann Connor - Child of Edward Connor & Ellen (formerly Hogan)
Born: 12 May
Baptised by: E. Kenrick
Register: Baptisms 1853 - 1855, Page 343, Entry 4
Source: LDS Film 396377

from the age on the census there is also this one

Births Dec 1853 (>99%)
CONNOR Ann Liverpool 8b 138

where exactly were Edward & Ann married in1875. I assume it was an RC marriage and their registers sometimes give extra info that is not found on a certificate.

If you can provide the exact date and church of the marriage maybe Lancs record office would have a look, otherwise I can look for you next time I go.

Hi Ann.
Edward and Ann were Married in the Saint William Catholic Chapel, at Over Darwen, district of Blackburn, Lancs (this is what it says on their marriage certificate) 8th November 1875. Ann O'Connor 22 years, Card Room Hand, Edward Marsh 26 years, Brick Setter. Ann's father Michael O'Connor is a Stoker.
Teresa

OK so if she was born December 1853 as per Ann's post above then in November 1875 she would be 22 years old - et voila! I'd invest £9.25 in that one :-)

Jude

Jude.
I think you could be right, its worth having a look at that one, at the moment I havn't got anything to lose only £10 and that's ok.
Thanks for all your help.
Teresa :-D

I would have a go at looking it up but I can't find that church in either the LRO catalogue or by google. Does it give any indication that it is a chapel attached to another church

edit

found it - it is now called St Joseph's Darwen and they do have marriages from 1870 and baptism's from 1871

Ann.
No it just says St William Catholic Chapel by certificate,then a name I presume the Priest, but cannot read it, it looks foreign, and the Registrar was James Ainsworth.
That's all Teresa