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Alisoun
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18 May 2012 11:06 |
UPDATE ; The Hallis (hollis)family had a tough start ;John and Robert were paupers in liverpool workhouse in 1941 followed by brother Samuel who was then sent to industrial school .a son Edward may also have been in an industrial school in 1881. .All went on to have trades.Aged 60 Samuel and Mary 55 ,took in my grandmother (maisie)as a boarder he,d adopted her by 1911 . they lived next door to his brother,s daughter Martha Harriet and her 2 girls .Maisie moved in with "aunt harriet" when Samuel and his wife died she marrried in 1924 from their house . my mother doesn,t think there are any living descendants to share her memories of this lovely family with, or to share her research into kirkdale industrial school.please prove her wrong.
EDIT I have Maisie details already on another thread .
The HoLLIS Boys were not the same family as Samuel Hallis Martha Harriet Hallis was in fact his eldest daughter
GO directly to last page for a summary of HALLIS findings+ latest update
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18 May 2012 11:13 |
Have you tried Search Trees on this site?
If you find a possible match you can contact the tree owner to see if you have a connection.
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18 May 2012 11:22 |
1911 census for reference -
HALLIS, Samuel Head Married M 72 1839 Tailor Liverpool Lancs VIEW HALLIS, Mary Wife Married47 years F 68 1843 Liverpool Lancs VIEW HALLIS, Masie Adopted F 11 1900 Birkenhead Cheshire VIEW HUNTER, Martha Widow Widow F 50 1861 Liverpool VIEW
RG number: RG14 Piece: 21970 Reference: RG14PN21970 RG78PN1308 RD452 SD1 ED13 SN294 Registration District: Birkenhead Sub District: Birkenhead Enumeration District: 13 Parish: Birkenhead Address: 1 Greenfield St Birkenhead County: Cheshire
Marriages Dec 1924 (>99%) Hallis Maisie Jones Birkenhead 8a 1083 Jones Edward B Roberts Birkenhead 8a 1083 Jones Edward B Hallis Birkenhead 8a 1083 Roberts Maisie F Jones Birkenhead 8a 1083
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18 May 2012 12:16 |
Maisie Hollis England and Wales Census, 1911 birth: Liverpool,? Lancashire census: 1911 Everton,? Everton Liverpool,? Lancashire,? England name: Maisie Hollis event: Census event date: 1911 gender: Female age: 2 birthplace: Liverpool, Lancashire record type: Household registration district: West Derby sub-district: North Everton parish: Everton county: Lancashire
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Alisoun
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18 May 2012 13:58 |
thanks for helpful facts. hoping to find descendents of Martha Harriet Hollis-m.Broadfield/ Evans .+of the Hallis boys or others who went to kirkdale school
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18 May 2012 15:50 |
Aunt "Harriet" in 1891?
Name: Martha H Broadfield Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Robert Broadfield Gender: Female Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Birkenhead Ecclesiastical parish: St John County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View image Registration district: Birkenhead Sub-registration district: Birkenhead ED, institution, or vessel: 26 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 2884 Folio: 5 Page Number: 4 Household Members: Name Age Robert Broadfield 25 Martha H Broadfield 25 Robert T Broadfield 11/12 1901
Name: Martha H Broadfield Age: 34 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Robert Broadfield Gender: Female Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Bootle cum Linacre Ecclesiastical parish: St Leonard County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View image Registration district: West Derby Sub-registration district: Bootle ED, institution, or vessel: 30 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 44 Piece: 3463 Folio: 37 Page Number: 8 Household Members: Name Age Robert Broadfield 34 Martha H Broadfield 34 Lucy Broadfield 5 Lilian Broadfield 10 Months 1911
Name: Lucy Broadfield Age in 1911: 15 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1896 Relation to Head: Stepdaughter Gender: Female Birth Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Birkenhead County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Street Address: 3 Greenfield St Birkenhead Registration district: Birkenhead Registration District Number: 452 Sub-registration district: Birkenhead ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Piece: 21970 Household Members: Name Age George Evans 53 Martha Harriet Evans 45 Lucy Broadfield 15 Lilian Broadfield 10
Births Mar 1896 Broadfield Lucy W. Derby 8b 457
Marriages Sep 1924 Broadfield Lucy Cookson Birkenhead 8a 1509 Cookson Thomas Broadfield Birkenhead 8a 1509
Doesn't look as though there were any children from the above marriage.
Name: Lucy Cookson Birth Date: abt 1896 Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1968 Age at Death: 72 Registration district: Wirral Inferred County: Cheshire Volume: 10a Page: 995
Births Sep 1900 Broadfield Lillian W. Derby 8b 334
Possible marriage for Lillian?
Marriages Jun 1926 Broadfield Lilian Gouldbourne Birkenhead 8a 1127 Gouldbourne Robert V Broadfield Birkenhead 8a 1127
1 daughter born to that marriage in 1927.
Name: Robert V Gouldbourne Birth Date: abt 1905 Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1956 Age at Death: 51 Registration district: Newcastle under Lyme Inferred County: Staffordshire Volume: 9b Page: 308
Not seeing a death for Lillian Gouldbourne but wondered if she re-married as I don't see a birth for this lady.
Name: Lilian Gouldbourne Spouse Surname: Jackson Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1950 Registration district: Birkenhead Inferred County: Cheshire Volume Number: 10a Page Number: 131
Couple of Possibles for the death of the above lady.
Name: Lilian Jackson Birth Date: abt 1900 Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1967 Age at Death: 67 Registration district: Birkenhead Inferred County: Cheshire Volume: 10a Page: 29
Name: Lily Jackson Birth Date: 25 Apr 1900 Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1981 Age at Death: 81 Registration district: Wallasey Inferred County: Merseyside Volume: 37 Page: 0970
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AnnCardiff
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18 May 2012 16:33 |
to find living descendants use Search Trees top of this page
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rootgatherer
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18 May 2012 16:47 |
Surname - Broadfield Christian name - Lilian Spouse's surname Gouldbourne Registration District Birkenhead Volume number 8a Page Number 1127
Sorry I have no connection to the family - just passing the time of day here indulging myself by trying to help others.
EDIT
If you search trees on gere as Ann has suggested, you will find that someone has Lucy Broadfield b. Bootle 1896 on their tree. It may be worth contacting him.
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18 May 2012 21:28 |
Hi Brigid/Alisoun
If you want people to continue to help you with information on the Hallis/Hollis family ............. please do remove that tick.
It shows on the Index as meaning that the question you asked has been fully answered.
In fact, my advice to you would be to NEVER click any response as answered!
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Alisoun
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18 May 2012 23:11 |
thanks for that information and advice . Not yet had response from the search tree man who has lucy broadfield from Bootle on his site . I,m impatient to know , if he hasn,t had time to reply to my last question yet .I could just request to view his family tree but it feels cheeky as his family won,t be on my family tree because no blood relation. can,t find, any Gouldbournes or lilian broadfield on search trees at all mum remembers "Aunty" lucy cookson and Tom as being childless but has no memories of Lilian so maybe she moved further afield
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Alisoun
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18 May 2012 23:15 |
I.m also going to contact anyone who knows Martha Evans on search trees as she,s my mum,s "great aunt Harritit" childrens pronounciation of Harriet her middle name .she probably died at same address , Greenfield st so should be easy to check if it,s the right lady
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Alisoun
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19 May 2012 07:42 |
What do you do when you get to a dead end ?The only lillian jackson didn,t have the right parents Look at all varieties of how to spell Lily I suppose
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Alisoun
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19 May 2012 17:29 |
Aren,t people on here nice . thanks to Rootgatherer,s info+ suggestions ,my 1 contact from search has offered to look in records office in Cheshire when he goes + see if he can find the right Lilian . so never say never . I find the records difficult to understand and missed that there was also a robert T broadfield i think from 1891 aged 12 so i,ll search him too.
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Alisoun
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20 May 2012 12:25 |
My mother thinks lucy and Tom cookson married on the same day as her parents edward jones and maisie hallis it was certainly same year 1924 but was theirs 15th nov 1924 too
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SylviaInCanada
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20 May 2012 20:54 |
No, they did not marry on the same day
You will have to buy the marriage certificate to find the actual date ......... but the registration of their marriage was in the SEPTEMBER quarter of 1924.
Edward Jones and Maisie Hallis' marriage would be registered in the DECEMBER quarter.
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20 May 2012 21:43 |
Alisoun
re your posting on the Halls thread about John Hallis/Hollis
IF your John went under the name Hollis, and married a Mary E. Then lived in Toxteth Park, working as a Hairdresser
he is on the 1851 Census (in the workhouse), on the 1861 with brother Robert, and 1871 living in Toxteth Park with wife and children ............... and died in Sept quarter 1880, registered West Derby
I found it all on ancestry.
This looks like the marriage for the John Hollis that I've followed ......
Liverpool, Lancashire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921 about John Hollis
Name: John Hollis Marriage Date: 15 Mar 1852 Parish: Liverpool St Nicholas Spouse's Name: Mary Ellen Bentley Father's Name: William Hollis Spouse Father's Name: Henry Bentley
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20 May 2012 23:29 |
brilliant (.EDIT after research the families spelt HOLLIS are not connected*)
The gaps are filling in for the story apart from the missing years of samuel didn't find him on 71 census .His 1st son,Edward born that year or in 81 when edward seems to be at B'head industrail school
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21 May 2012 00:37 |
Alisoun
Please ... do not just accept what anyone tells you!
we are finding records, yes, but that does not mean that these people are really your relatives.
You HAVE to buy birth, marriage and death certificates to prove it all.
In this case, you need to buy the marriage certificate for John Hollis and Mary Ellen Bentley
that will prove whether or not he has the same father that you think he should have. There may also be witnesses to help further prove.
If you do NOT do this, ie buy certificates, you are just heading for trouble ....... going down the wrong path and collecting names that have no connection.
I am not willing to give you any further information from censuses, etc, until you do start proving that what I have already given you is correct.
I always feel that my function as a "helper" is to provide information but that information then has to be proved correct.
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21 May 2012 06:35 |
On the 1891 census above for Martha H Broadfield, the age for Robert T is 11/12 which is 11 months.
Robert T is not on the 1901 census with sisters Lucy and Lillian so possibly died.
Not sure if that T for Robert is correct as the only birth and death I can find is for Robert Fitzhugh Broadfield.
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Robert Fitzhugh Broadfield Name: Robert Fitzhugh Broadfield Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1890 Registration district: Birkenhead Inferred County: Cheshire, Merseyside Volume: 8a Page: 513 (click to see others on page)
England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915 about Robert Fitzhugh Broadfield Name: Robert Fitzhugh Broadfield Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890 Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1891 Age at Death: 1 Registration district: Birkenhead Inferred County: Cheshire Volume: 8a Page: 406 (click to see others on page)
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21 May 2012 16:14 |
Just for added info. Here are Lucy and Lillian's baptism records. If the Lili your referring to is Lilian Broadfield nothing on the original which indicates she was adopted child but then that does not say she wasn't.
Liverpool, Lancashire, England, Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Lillian Broadfield Name: Lillian Broadfield Birth Date: 18 Jun 1900 Baptism Date: 4 Jul 1900 Parish: Bootle St Leonard Father's Name: Robert Broadfield Mother's Name: Martha Harriett Broadfield Parish of St Leonard. Living at 9 ?Bowles Street Liverpool, Lancashire, England, Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Lercy Broadfield Name: Lercy Broadfield Birth Date: 1 Feb 1896 Baptism Date: 5 Apr 1896 Parish: Bootle St Leonard Father's Name: Robert Broadfield Mother's Name: Martha Harriet Broadfield Living at 57 ?Akenside Street. Vera
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