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Hi I have tried on every free site to find the death of William Oakes according to his marriage lines he was of full age when he married in Plymouth 19 November 1852 ,and a widower I know nothing about him. His widow Sarah re-married and according to her second marriage certificate dated 22 August 1858 she was a widow.

So somewhere between 1852 and 1858 William Oakes died.and I can't find it being registered anywhere can you help please
Thank you
Sheila :-( :-S

Was he a mariner? If so maybe he died at sea?

there is another thread on the Monday "girls"

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/ancestors/thread/1295486



This is from that thread

Groom's Forenames:William
Groom's Surname:Oakes
Groom's Age:
Groom's parish:
Event Year:1852 Event Month:Nov Event Day:19
Bride's Forenames:Sarah
Bride's Surname:Monday
Bride's Age:
Bride's Parish:
Place:Plymouth
Parish:Christchurch
County:Devon
Page:25
Groom's Father's Forenames:Daniel
Groom's Father's Surname:Woolhouse
Bride's Father's Forenames:John
Bride's Father's Surname:Monday



Sheila ... it might have been better to have added this to that other thread, as the only reason you are looking for him is because of his marriage to Sarah Monday.

Otherwise, you are likely to have other helpers looking for the same information as has already been posted.




sylvia

I know nothing at all about him. He is just a name on a marriage certificate . If he died at sea his death would be reported,????? or how was Sarah able to claim she was a widow??? It's all a bit wierd to me lol

I Had thought of that but I had a lot of trouble last time I did that. That is why I have not been around for nearly 12 months . Do you want me to scrap this thread and add it to the other I will if you this it best

nah, Sheila

leave it ............................ but in future, if they're close, like this, it is better to have it on the same thread.



What I copied over is the only bit of information that could relate to here.



Sorry you got a bad reception last time. I don't bite :-)






Interesting that his father is called Daniel Woolhouse ??????????????




sylvia

I know you don't, Sylvia it was not you , and Yes we did wonder about him. Sarah's father was a R N Captain we know and can read that but Daniel's Profession is , was we can't decipher it I do wish that they were made to print

Sheila

I do not have a subscription to this site, but there is a pay-per-view, or the newspapers are also available on GR if you ahve the correct sub

But I have just doen a free search on the original site

http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk

I went to search, and then to Advanced Search, and entered in the top category (All These Words)

Sarah Monday William Oakes

All places

All newspapers

Dates 1 January 1852 to 31 December 1858


and came up with this snippet, Sarah's second marriage, obviously ............ to see more, you have to pay! Note William Oakes addresses.


Although someone MAY have a sub and be willing to look for you.


Royal Cornwall Gazette

Fri 03 Sep 1858
Cornwall, England
....... Plymouth, to Sarah, second daughter of Admiral Monday, and relict of William Oakes, Esq., late of Patch Court, Somerset- shire,
988 Words

“ h, to Sarah, second daughter of Admiral Monday, and relict of William Oakes, Esq., late of Patch Court, Somerset- shire, and Shirland House, Derbyshire. On Monday, 30th August, at Perranuthnoe, by tbe Rev. R. Astley, John Laity, Esq., of Goldsithney, ... ?




There may be some confusion in what has been copied there ...... all the newspapers are scanned.


BUT it does give us an address that we didn't have before!!!!



sylvia

this is the entry of their marriage


Sherborne Mercury
Tue 30 Nov 1852
Dorset, England

“ outh, William Oakes, Esq., of Hatch-court, Somerset, and of Shirland-house, Derby, to Sarah, lecond daughter of Capt. Monday, K.N., Plymouth. Nov. 25, at Chard,by the Rev. W. Marshall. Mr. Henry Palmer 11 t0 Jan6 ' e ' deBt dau 6 ,!ter of Mr - Geor e ... ?



and this was then repeated in several other papers.



sylvia

but I cannot see a possible death for him


It doesn't help that we have no idea how old he was, nor where he was born!


do you have the marriage certificate???


does that give any more idea of his age, other than "of full age"??

I tried googling

william+oakes+shirland+house+derbyshire

that rpoduced quite a bit


then I tried william+oakes+hatch+court+somerset


and that produced this little tidbit in a description of Hatch Beauchamp Church

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During the early 19th century Hatch Court had many different occupiers. From 1838 to 1855 William Oakes owned it He was a churchwarden and there is a memorial to him in the west porch. From 1856 to the end of the century various members of the Hardstaff family resided at Hatch Court. They were Methodists, and Henry Hardstaff built a small Methodist chapel on the edge of the park. However, the Hardstaff family as owners of Hatch Court retained the right to the use of five pews in the north aisle of the church, and this is Shawn on the Gilbert Scott plan of the church (1867).
-----------------


so it looks as though William died between 1855 and 1856.




try the googling!!!!!



sylvia

I have Williams marriage lines to Sarah They are both "full age" But he is a widower other than that I can't help.



Were Press Gangs around at that date ???? with Sarah's father being a Captain, and ending up a vice Admiral, If John thought William was no good well the mind goes into overdrive

Bingo!


got a death date for him

EDIT............... closer!! Looks as though it was in August/early September


in the googling................

The Gentleman's magazine and historical review - Google Books Result
books.google.ca/books?id=1LDPAAAAMAAJ...1855 - History
97th Regt. third and youngest surviving son of William Robert Preston, esq. of Mine- steed ... MP Iu Devon shire-st. aged 68, William Oakes, esq. of Hatch Court, near Taunton. ... aged 81, Surah, relict of William Hallett, of Mlaterton, Somerset.


The Gentleman's Magazine and historical review, Volume 198, 1855

Obituaries, September 2 1855

In Devonshire-st. aged 68, William Oakes, esq. of Hatch Court, near Taunton



as a result of a hint from googling, here's William in 1851

1851 Census

Name: William Oakes
Age: 64
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1787
Relation: Head
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Kirton, Nottinghamshire, England

Civil parish: Hatch Beauchamp
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Registration district: Taunton
Sub-registration district: Pitminster

William Oakes 64 Widower, Landed Proprietor
Henry Hardotaff 50
Elizabeth Hardotaff 33
Mary Hardotaff 18
Catharine Hardotaff 16
Jane Hardotaff 5
William Hardotaff 3
Henry Smith 16
Mary Whitting 26
Caroline Mead 26
Hannah Aplin 26

Address:- Hatch Court


all the others are Servants





what I have not found is WHERE he died! I can't see one on freebmd who died in Somerset or Derbyshire!




sylvia
Hardotaff = Hardstaff

William and his first wife?


ages on the 1841 census were rounded down to the nearest 5, hence the slight difference in birth year.


1841 Census

Name: William Oakes
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1791
Gender: Male

Civil parish: Hatch Beauchamp
Hundred: Abdick and Bulstone
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Registration district: Taunton
Sub-registration district: North Curry

William Oakes 50 not born in county, Independent (means)
Mary Oakes 65

Address:- Hatch Beauchamp


Henry Hardstaff is still there .. and at least 10 more servants!



sylvia

Deaths Mar 1848 (>99%)

Oakes Mary Taunton 10 378

I have to go to bed, it's not far off midnight here!!



hope this gets you somewhere!



sylvia

Sylvia, you have done more than I could ever ask for THANK YOU


Sheila :-D

you are very welcome!!


I got sidetracked!!


now I really am turning off the 'puter!



sylvia

??

Parish Record Collection - Burial Record

Print Close Day: 02
Month: Sep
Year: 1855
Birth day:
Birth month:
Birth year:
Age: 67
Forenames: William
Surname: OAKES
Place: Hatch Beauchamp
Dedication: St John the Baptist
County: Somerset
Country: England
Type: Marble Tablet
Reference: 22
Notes: Esq. Of Hatch Court. In his 68th year. Husband of Mary
Record source: Somerset Memorial Inscriptions
Data provider: Somerset & Dorset Family History Society

Maritime Deaths (Find My Past)
1794-1964

Registration event: Death
Name:OAKES, Wm
Alias:
Date of death:
Port received from:
Ship's name:
Series:ADM80 - Royal Greenwich Hospital: Miscellaneous Records
Box:0004

(on viewing image available, just says 2nd Class (Seaman) Trompeuse, which I presume is name of ship, googling brings it up)

Just adding the above...

Chris :)

edits (sorry folks, think I got confused when adding above, lol)