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Did you notice that on the 1851 census Ellenor Blunden and her children are sharing the house with Mary Wood, widow, 47, shoe binding, born Lewes, and her son Alfred 20, shoemaker journeyman, born Brighton? I wonder if this is the connection with John Penfold same trade. In 1841 at Richmond Square, Brighton are Henry Bartlet 70, tailor, Mary Wood 37, Elenor 15, Sarah 12 and Alfred 10. So Ellener and her mother were both widowed very young.

Now to find out which death was the right James Blunden - crucial for deciding who the father of young James was! I think I need to get some certificates! Also Sarah Ann Penfold Blunden's birth certificate - I wondered why I couldn't find her birth (although confusingly there is a Sarah Ann Penfold born in Eastbourne in 1857, the same year.)

I now have the full names of all 16 of my great great grandparents - thanks so much for finding Eleanor! :-)

Forgot to say that of course this fits in with the Steyning marriage of James Blunden and Eleanor Wood. Wonder why they got married in Steyning?

And the 1850 death has to be the right James Blunden - he can't have got married in 1848 if he died in 1847! So James junior is his son, not John Penfold's. It's all falling into place! :-)

Linda


so pleased that we managed to crack the mystery!!

Certificates are going to be essential to confirming what we have found .... as many as you can afford!


Just one thing ..... if a married woman has a baby after the death of her husband, it is assumed that the dead man was the father of her baby ............. even if it happens 10 years after his death.

Unless, of course, the birth father does acknowledge the child and agree to have his name on the certificate, or she is in a common-law relationship in which she uses the name of her partner.


This is all to say that a man who died in 1847 could be shown on the birth certificate of a child born to his wife 2 years later. Thus a birth certificate is no proof that a man was alive, at least until 9 months before the birth.

....... although, of course, he could not have married her one year after his death :-)


If no-one else does it, I will have a look later to see if we can connect the Mary Wood and her children connect up with John



sylvia

Wow, you have been working hard while I've been asleep.

Well done to you all.

Ozi

Sylvia, thanks for that extra information - I didn't know that about presumed fathers. I'll see what certificates I can order. Once I've got them
I think I'll write this all up for the Sussex Family History Group magazine, as long as you're all happy for me to do this. I will of course acknowledge all you wonderful people who beaver away solving puzzles! :-)

I'm assuming btw that Henry Bartlet, 70, in 1841 is probably Mary Wood's father. Can't find him in 1851 so I assume he died, which is a shame as I wanted to find his birthplace! FreeBMD gives a death of Henry Bartlett in Brighton in the March quarter 1851 so that's probably him. It also has death of an Ann Catherine Bartlett in Brighton in Sept quarter 1838 - wonder if she could be his wife?

Ozi

it all just fell into place when Astra spotted Ellenor Blunden :-D :-D



Linda ................

I'm fine with you writing it up for the History Group magazine.


I'll have a beaver round and see whether I can find anything about the Woods, Bartletts, etc.




sylvia

Just to help me get my head into this part of the family ....................


1841 Census

Name: Henry Bartlet
Age: 70
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1771
Gender: Male
Where born: Sussex, England

Civil parish: Brighthelmstone
Hundred: Brighthelmstone
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Registration district: Brighton
Sub-registration district: St Peter

Henry Bartlet 70 Tailor
Mary Wood 37 b.ca 1804, Sussex
Elenor Wood 15 b.ca 1826, Sussex
Sarah Wood 12 b.ca 1829, Sussex
Alfred Wood 10 b.ca 1831, Sussex

Address:- Richmond Square



sylvia

One possible death for Henry Bartlet(t)

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915 about Henry Bartlett

Name: Henry Bartlett
Date of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1851
Registration district: Brighton
Inferred County: Sussex
Volume: 7
Page: 233



just before the 1851 Census




sylvia

Yes, great find.

Here's what I've found.

Henry Bartlet (He could he be another type of relative or someone from her home town. 1851 has her born Lewes.)
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth: 15 Mar 1767
christening: 18 Apr 1767 St. Thomas-in-the-Cliffs, Lewes, Sussex, England
residence: 1767 Lewes, Sussex, England
parents: James Bartlet, Lucy
name: Henry Bartlet
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 18 Apr 1767
baptism/christening place: St. Thomas-in-the-Cliffs, Lewes, Sussex, England
birth date: 15 Mar 1767
father's name: James Bartlet
mother's name: Lucy
indexing project (batch) number: C14812-1

1851

BLUNDEN, Ellener Head Widow F 25 1826 Good Intent (Beer Shop)
Brighton Sussex
BLUNDEN, Ellener Daughter F 4 1847Brighton Sussex
BLUNDEN, James Son M 2 1849 Brighton, Sussex

Brighton Address:
1& 2, Richmond Square, Brighton County:
Sussex


living separately but in the same house

Name: Mary Wood
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1804
Relation: Head
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Lewes, Sussex, England

Civil parish: Brighton
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Registration district: Brighton
Sub-registration district: St Peter

Mary Wood 47 Widowed, Shoe Binder, Deaf
Alfred Wood 20 b.ca 1831, Brighton, Shoemaker Journeyman




sylvia

There are these:

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 f
name: Mary Steer
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 17 Jan 1805
baptism/christening place: ALL SAINTS, LEWES, SUSSEX, ENGLAND
birth date: 29 Dec 1804
father's name: John Steer
mother's name: Elizabeth

(I like this one the best for obvious reasons.)
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: Mary Hunt
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 26 May 1805
baptism/christening place: St. Thomas-in-the-Cliffs, Lewes, Sussex, England
birth date: 26 Mar 1805
father's name: James Hunt
mother's name: Elizabeth

I'm not getting anywhere.

I've found the possible baptism of Henry on England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906 on ancestry


but that is about it!



sylvia


I'll be back after dinner :-)

Thank you! I'm off to bed now! Back tomorrow.

I put in a request to the Sussex FHG marriage list and they came up with a marriage between Mary Bartlett and John Wood in Hove 19 Dec 1825. John Wood was buried at St Thomas's, Lewes 9 Jan 1833 aged 29. It all fits nicely - the youngest of their 3 children, Alfred, was born c1831 in Lewes. And it means that my assumtpion that Henry Bartlett was Mary's father is correct. Yay! :-)

Great news, Linda.

Aren't you lucky that her father was named in the Parish records.


Ozi

great news Linda.


I didn't manage to get back until now!

This is the only marriage for a Henry Bartlett that shows up on familysearch.org/

it's taken from the Parish Register


England Marriages, 1538–1973 for Henry Bartlett

Groom's Name: Henry Bartlett
Groom's Birth Date:
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age:
Bride's Name: Martha Storey
Bride's Birth Date:
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age:
Marriage Date: 07 Apr 1788
Marriage Place: All Saints,Lewes,Sussex,England
Groom's Father's Name:
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name:
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M14809-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 1067218
Reference Number:



This is possible, remembering that Henry could have been between 70 and 74 in 1841, because of the rounding down to nearest 5 on that census.



sylvia

Yes Sylvia, that's the one I found on 12 Mar 2012 00:18. It doesn't prove Henry is her father. He could've been an uncle or cousin. Linda needs to find some more proof.

Ozi