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Bertikins
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22 Jan 2012 17:04 |
Does anyone have any information on Emily Barnard please. The only certain details I have are that she was my grandfather's (Herbert William Sharpe) 1st wife and she died in childbirth in 1898. He married Emily Clipston in 1906, which is the union I am descended from. I have found entries for Emily Barnard, but they are very confusing. All I have found point to her being the daughter of Frederick Popple of Deeping St James, if so why was she called Barnard ? Also the marriage of her and 2 siblings is shown as 26 December 1895 - very doubtful. The family of Frederick Popple are :- wife Mary (1837), children - Thomas (1861), Matilda (1863), Clara (1865), Emily (1869). Clara married my grandfather's brother, John Thomas Sharpe. I know it is a long shot but anything to sort out the confusion would be appreciated please. Herbert (Bert) Sharpe
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MarieCeleste
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22 Jan 2012 17:07 |
Hi Bert, where were they from?
She may have been married previously hence two different surnames.
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22 Jan 2012 17:11 |
Marriages Dec 1895 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Barnard Emily Anderson Bourn 7a 713 Halstead Joseph Bourn 7a 713 Popple Clara Bourn 7a 713 Sharpe Herbert William Bourn 7a 713
Deaths Jun 1898 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SHARPE Emily Anderson 28 Peterbro' 3b 131
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MarieCeleste
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22 Jan 2012 17:12 |
Oh, I hate it when a name is missing:
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Dec 1891
Gunn Lucy Edmonton 3a 398 Pickett Walter Edmonton 3a 398 Popple Emily Anderson Edmonton 3a 398 << Tait Ellen Sarah Edmonton 3a 398 Tottingham George Edmonton 3a 398
I'm betting the missing groom is a Mr Barnard
Yes, think this is him:
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Dec 1891 Barnard Samuel Edmonton 3a 393 <<<< Brooker Frederick William Edmonton 3a 393 Smithers Mary Edmonton 3a 393
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Vera
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22 Jan 2012 17:12 |
Marriages Dec 1891 (>99%) ?????? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gunn Lucy Edmonton 3a 398 Pickett Walter Edmonton 3a 398 <<<<<Popple Emily Anderson Edmonton 3a 398 Tait Ellen Sarah Edmonton 3a 398 Tottingham George Edmonton 3a 398
Regards Veea
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Vera
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22 Jan 2012 17:15 |
Civil Registration event: Marriage
Name: POPPLE, Emily Anderson Registration District: Help Edmonton County: Middlesex Year of Registration: 1891 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912 Volume No: Help 3A Page No: Help 393 MarriageFinderâ„¢: Emily Anderson Popple married one of the following people Help BARNARD, Samuel view record
SMITHERS, Mary view record It is
©Regards Vera
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22 Jan 2012 17:17 |
BMD Search result details Civil Registration event: Marriage
Name: POPPLE, Emily Anderson Registration District: Edmonton County: Middlesex Year of Registration: 1891 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec Volume No: 3A Page No: 393
MarriageFinderâ„¢: Emily Anderson Popple married one of the following people
BARNARD, Samuel SMITHERS, Mary
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MarieCeleste
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22 Jan 2012 17:19 |
Bert (I am NOT going to call you Bertikins!!) You say:
"Also the marriage of her and 2 siblings is shown as 26 December 1895 - very doubtful."
Could you explain what you mean.
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Bertikins
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22 Jan 2012 17:23 |
Hi, The Sharpes are from Peterborough, and the marriage records show Deeping St James (about 10 miles North of Peterborough). I am going round the bend trying to understand the confusion. I've got a copy of the 1871 census, and she is shown as Emily A Popple, 27 Eastgate, Deeping St James. I can only assume that this is Emily Anderson Barnard, as all the info on her from The Family Search website refer to Frederick Popple. Bert
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MarieCeleste
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22 Jan 2012 17:28 |
Bert - please read our replies above!
Emily Anderson Popple married Samuel Barnard in December 1891. She then went on to marry Herbert William Sharpe in 1895. Obviously, her second marriage is going to be in her married name of Barnard.
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MargaretM
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22 Jan 2012 17:30 |
She's a visitor here:
1891 England Census about Emily Anderson Popple Name: Emily Anderson Popple Age: 21 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870 Relation: Visitor Gender: Female Where born: Deeping St James, Lincolnshire, England Civil parish: Enfield Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrews Town: Enfield County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration district: Edmonton Sub-registration district: Enfield ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1086 Folio: 103 Page Number: 12 Household Members: Name Age William Barnard 30 Sophia Barnard 30 William S Barnard 8 Alfred A Barnard 6 Ellen Barnard 4 Emily Anderson Popple 21
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Bertikins
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22 Jan 2012 17:33 |
To all respondents, thanks a lot. I already have got some of the details, but I did not know of Samuel Barnard. It seems as if she was widowed before she met my Grandfather, which solves most of the confusion. I'll have to research that side a bit more. Bert
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MargaretM
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22 Jan 2012 17:34 |
1881 England Census about Emily Anderson Popple Name: Emily Anderson Popple Age: 12 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869 Relation: Daughter Mother's Name: Mary Popple Gender: Female Where born: Deeping St James, Lincoln, England Civil parish: Deeping St James County/Island: Lincolnshire Country: England Street Address: Eastgate Education:
Employment status: View image Occupation: Scholar Registration district: Bourn Sub-registration district: Deeping ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 3199 Folio: 73 Page Number: 26 Household Members: Name Age Mary Popple 47 Thos. Fredk. Popple 20 Georgina Mary Popple 13 Emily Anderson Popple 12 Lois Baxter Popple 7 Chas.Albert Popple 4 Minnie Popple 3 Ellen Harris 14
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MarieCeleste
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22 Jan 2012 17:39 |
Based on the 1891 that Margee posted above, this is possibly the Barnard family in 1871:
BARNARD, William Head M 39 1832 Essex BARNARD, Mary Wife F 39 1832 Middlesex BARNARD, John Son M 18 1853 Middlesex BARNARD, Louisa Daughter F 12 1859 Middlesex BARNARD, William Son M 10 1861 Middlesex BARNARD, Jane Daughter F 7 1864 Middlesex BARNARD, Edward Son M 5 1866 Middlesex BARNARD, Samuel Son M 4 1867 Middlesex << BARNARD, George Son M 2 1869 Middlesex
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Registration District: Edmonton Civil Parish: Enfield
Address: Clay Hill, Enfield County: Middlesex
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Bertikins
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22 Jan 2012 17:39 |
MarieCeleste, I got a lot of information from the Family Research website. The marriage records for Clara, Georgina and Emily Popple show the date 26 December 1895. It is possible, but I have my doubts. Bert
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MarieCeleste
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22 Jan 2012 17:42 |
Bert, joint wedding weren't uncommon - saved money that way.
Christmas and Boxing Day were two very popular days of the year for marriages then - it was a day when people would already be off work.
The marriages you refer to on the LDS site are not user-submitted so there is no reason to question their validity.
I don't understand your doubts.
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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22 Jan 2012 17:44 |
1881 England Census about Emily Anderson Popple Name: Emily Anderson Popple Age: 12 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869 Relation: Daughter Mother's Name: Mary Popple Gender: Female Where born: Deeping St James, Lincoln, England Civil parish: Deeping St James County/Island: Lincolnshire Country: England Street Address: Eastgate Education:
Employment status: View image Occupation: Scholar Registration district: Bourn Sub-registration district: Deeping ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 3199 Folio: 73 Page Number: 26 Household Members: Name Age Mary Popple 47 Thos. Fredk. Popple 20 Georgina Mary Popple 13 Emily Anderson Popple 12 Lois Baxter Popple 7 Chas.Albert Popple 4 Minnie Popple 3 Ellen Harris 14
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MarieCeleste
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22 Jan 2012 17:45 |
1891 shows that Samuel may have already been married, the grandchild may be his son:
BARNARD, William Head Married M 60 1831 Gardener Pamdon Essex BARNARD, Mary A Wife Married F 59 1832 Enfield Middlesex BARNARD, Samuel Son Widower M 23 1868 Painter Enfield Middlesex BARNARD, Charles Grandson Single M 2 1889 Enfield Middlesex WHITELOCK, Stephen Lodger Single M 27 1864 Groom Aworth Sussex
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Registration District: Edmonton Civil Parish: Enfield
Address: 1, Cottage, Russell Road, Enfield County: Middlesex
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22 Jan 2012 17:48 |
A child of Emily & Samuel's?
Name: Archibald Vivian Barnard Record Type: Baptism Estimated Birth Date: abt 1893 Birth: 12 Nov 1892 Baptism Date: 15 Jan 1893 Father's Name: Samuel Barnard occ Painter Mother's Name: Emily Barnard Parish or Poor Law Union: Enfield St Andrew Borough: Enfield Address: 46 Harman Road, Cardigan Estate, Enfield Register Type: Parish Registers
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MarieCeleste
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22 Jan 2012 17:50 |
A possible for Samuel Barnard's death:
Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page Deaths Mar 1893 Barnard Samuel 26 Whitechapel 1c 265
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