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Hello Maureen

have a look at this tree on Anc

http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/27085817/person/1987607876

Maureen

I have the picture Stuart sent me, this states S.F Gordon at the wheel of number 9 winner of the flying 3 miles july 7th 1909 if this helps

I am also digging to

:-)

Thanks,Lucy! Something to go on...

Quoy-sorry I use Ancestry Library Edition and it doesn't let you look at trees. I could try through Mundia if you give me a name to look for.

Best,
Maureen

George Cosmo Gordon
Birth 1848 in Westminster St Georges
Death 27 Apr 1919 in Gillingham, Kent, England


and his spouse


Elizabeth Susannah Glennie
Birth 13 Dec 1846 in Cabrach, Banff, Scotland


tthis family goes with the census you posted above

That was rootgatherer who posted the census,I think? I posted the death which looks like the same fellow so I don't think he's correct.

Maureen

As you will have gathered by now my grandfather died when my father was a baby, and then my father died before my first birthday ... hence Gordon family knowledge is from my mother's memory and old photographs.

My mother passed away last year (96 years old) hence my having several family certificates readily to hand whilst I have been dealing with her affairs.

Then when I needed my father’s place of birth for my India Visa application I obtained a copy of his birth certificate – that was a challenge as his age was misstated on his marriage certificate by a year and in the newspaper obituary by two years (and the newspaper also stated he was born in France!). My father finished his education at art college in Paris but he was born in London. Never trust what you read in the newspapers.

I recall my mother saying that Dorothy’s first husband was quite a few years older than Dorothy, but no exact number was ever mentioned … my guess based on the fact they ran away to get married, when she was still in her mid teens, would be 5 to 10 years older.

I have never known his place of birth.

This message has been added on the FB Genes page, so I'm just passing it on

"Hello there, i`ve been following a thread on Genes, on the `Find Ancestors` board, entitled `Enie D N Forder`
I noticed today in Family History Monthly magazine, there is 4 page article on Brooklands Museum.
One of the posters on the thread has been trying to trace more info on her ancestor who was a racing driver at Brooklands.
Thought it might be useful but i don`t have a current subscription. Would someone pass on the details for me? Thank you"

That could be interesting Rose.

Can anyone see a death registation for S F Gordon around the time that Stuart thinks he died in the accident at Brooklands? I am blowed if I can see it or am I just missing it? That would be the first step in trying to get a possible year of birth for him. I also had a look on Scotlandspeople for the possible Gretna marriage but I don't see one.

Thank you very much indeed for your continued efforts in tracking down our ancestors.

My wife and I are off on a tour of Northern India starting tomorrow so I doubt I’ll have any reasonable Internet access for a couple of weeks … so please do not think I’ve lost interest, I will be back!

Over the last few days I’ve been mulling over the facts surrounding my paternal grandfather.

My understanding from conversations with my mother was that his name was Stewart Forbes Gordon (as per the family photographs).

However, on my father’s marriage certificate it is shown as Dudley Stewart Gordon (Deceased) whereas on my father’s birth certificate it is shown as Dudley Gordon.

The only consistency is the profession: Consulting Engineer.

Given the family’s habit of randomly using middle names as first names and then leaving them off certificates (writing down whatever their preferred known as name was at the time), this makes it quite difficult to even know what name to look for on the death certificate.

Then to compound matters there are three distinct possibilities for my grandfather’s date of death…

My father’s date of birth 14 Oct 1913 plus:

a. 8 to 9 months: June 1914 - as per the interval between my birth and my father’s death (as my mother always said he was about the same age when his father died)

b. 14 months: December 1914 - based on the original writing on the back of the photograph

c. 24 months: October 1915 - based on the scribbled change

By then Brooklands was in use as a recuperation centre for wounded officers – but I would not be surprised if occasional private racing events continued.

Incidentally from the time my son (Stephen James Gordon) was about 8 months old through to his second birthday I was a little more careful than normal – I did not want to tempt fate!

I have to chuckle. I think rootgatherer and I were probably doing the same futile searches yesterday/today.

Stuart-it really is the inconsistency that makes this very difficult.

Do have a wonderful trip!

Kind regards,
Maureen

Hope you enjoy your trip Stuart.

I doubt that we will lose interest so easily as this has been such an interesting quest!

Now just to recap (as there are so many pages on this thread), here are the Gordon / Carash births.

Births Dec 1913 Gordon Dudley B Carash Lambeth 1d 829

Births Dec 1914 GORDON Ruby G Carash Lambeth 1d 745

Births Dec 1917 Gordon Norman C Carash Lambeth 1d 422


So, I am thinking that may help to establish S F Gordon's death - unless of course he wasn't the father of Norman?

I think that we have been doing the same searches Maureen but so far, not coming up with any possiblities!! We probably need to remember though that we have been unable to track down a Gordon / Carash marriage. We also know that Ruby's family were a little difficult to track down i.e. Carash / Meiklewright senario of Ruby's father!



???

Deaths Jun 1918 Gordon Alexander F 39 Eastry 2a 1269

Wonder what the "F" stands for?

Thank you Maureen and Rootgatherer :-).

Before I go and clean my camera kit and then start packing, I have to say that I have absolutely no knowledge of…

Births Dec 1917 Gordon Norman C Carash Lambeth 1d 422

This certainly is a quest with so many variables!

When I return from India I will try and find an old book that I remember from my childhood, where my grandmother made some notes on places she had visited in Scotland after she was first married – from memory there were no personal names, just place names, but maybe there’s more (perhaps dates). I’ve been looking for it for nearly an hour without success, but I still have several boxes from my mother’s house clearance to look through.

just to add to this ruby was born a year later than dudley on rubys birth certficate as dudley gordon just to add to the confusion I have e mailed brooklands musuem and attached the picture asking for any information on stewart forbes gordon aka dudley hopefully their archieves come up with something :-)

Sorry, I should have posted this too Stuart.

Deaths Dec 1917 Gordon Norman C 0 Lambeth 1d 364


That is probably why you hadn't heard about Norman.

Well done Lucy, hopefully Brooklands may have some information on S F Gordon.

I just don't know why we aren't seeing a death for him.

I posted that Alexander one in case the middle name was Forbes and he may have been known as Sandy but it really is clutching at straws - big time!