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Hi I am looking to find some infomation on Samuel Benjamin Cooper, I dont really know what im doing with this sort of stuff so was hoping someone could help me, i am looking to find information on is father john cooper and if anyone could help me find his mothers name, he would have been born around 1870 in the manchester area, and later went on to marry isabella povey, thanks :)

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parents: John Cooper,? Mary


name: Samuel Benjamin Cooper
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 06 Oct 1872
baptism/christening place: St. Peter's, Burnley, Lancashire, England
father's name: John Cooper
mother's name: Mary
indexing project (batch) number: C01742-9
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1517691

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spouse: Mary Ellen Corner


groom's name: John Norris Cooper
bride's name: Mary Ellen Corner
marriage date: 12 Oct 1871
marriage place: Cathedral,Manchester,Lancashire,England
indexing project (batch) number: M09789-6
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 438233

Also this thread

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1282253

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spouse: Mary Ann Taylor


groom's name: John Henry Cooper
bride's name: Mary Ann Taylor
marriage date: 20 Jan 1868
marriage place: Cathedral,Manchester,Lancashire,England
indexing project (batch) number: M09789-6
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 438233

Grrrrrrrrr :-(

you should not have two postings on the same thing Lisa - not allowed by GR

apart from the advice given by GR at the head of this page, also on this page is a long running thread "Donlt post twice about the same person" or words to that effect!!!!

Sorry i didnt realise, i am very new to all this, sorry everyone :(

hello, I didnt know that her name was mary all i knew was that samuel cooper named his first daughter mary ann so when i seen your post about a john cooper marrying a mary ann, i thought that, that seemed like a plausible link and that you might be on to the right person, im really sorry about this guys i didnt know how this all worked, i wont be posting anymore new topics

no donlt go saying you wonlt post again - everyone makes mistakes and we all have to start somewhere and we really enjoy helping people find what they are looking for - it's just a bit frustrating to find that there is more than one posting - so keep on posting and obviously you wonlt do it again

Ann :-)

just keep using this particular thread now and forget about the other one

I think its just safer to not post any new ones cause I wont be sure if its considered the same person/family so then I wont get in trouble again, this has made me feel really bad cause I didnt know that you werent allowed to do that, I just dont know where to look for stuff so I wanted to get a helping hand, thanks for your help it seems likely that this Mary Ann Taylor could well be the right person x

now do not disappear in a cloud of smoke or we'll all feel awful - or I will anyway - let's see if others think she is the correct one - I'm certainly not the best on here by a long chalk so I'll feel happier if one of our savvier helpers comes on and sees what they think - so hold your horses!!!

and if ever you are not sure about anyting, just ask - I put my foot in it lots of times when I first joined - probably still do if you ask around

nice to hear you are sticking around!!! now to see if we can find your great grandfather!!! all help greatfully received :-)

This is the only birth anywhere near that area

Name: Samuel Benjamin Cooper
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1871
Registration district: Ashton Under Lyne
Inferred County: Cheshire, Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 460 (click to see others on page)

my post from the other thread

"we arent sure if this man is his father as she wasnt married when my grandfather was born so he was adopted by his grandparents"

does that mean you have identified him on the 1911 census? Do you have Vincent's birth certificate, if so please could you give us the details?

Also I am puzzled as to where the name Samuel Benjamin came from as in all the info we have found he does not have a middle name

to continue:-

There are 2 Vincent Copper's in the indexes

Births Sep 1910 (>99%)
COOPER Vincent Manchester 8d 243

Births Dec 1910 (>99%)
COOPER Vincent Prestwich 8d 389

As you say his birth was 27th Sept either one could be yours as if his birth was registered within 3 days of his birth it would be the Sept qtr one. Anytime after 3 days and it would have been registered in October and therefore the dec qtr one.

edit

The Manchester one probably died so it would be the Prestwich one

Deaths Dec 1910 (>99%)
Cooper Vincent 0 Manchester 8d 145

Hello I have the 1911 census ( http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/records.page/image/e1911rg14/5725507 ) I am 99% sure this is the right one, There is a copy of my grandfather vincents birth certificate, but im not sure who has is now, his dob is 27th sept 1910 and his mother (listed as his sister on the census) is mary ann cooper, but there are no details of his father also the address on the census is the same address on the birth certificate, i will try and find out which member of my family has it now

1911 census - household transcription
Person: COOPER, Samuel
Address: 130 Cross St Bradford Manchester


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COOPER, Samuel Head Married M 41 1870 Labourer- Bradford Lancashire Manchester VIEW
COOPER, Isabel Wife Married
20 years F 41 1870 Lancashire Manchester VIEW
COOPER, Mary Ann Daughter Single F 20 1891 Ring Spinner At Cotton Mill Lancashire Manchester VIEW
COOPER, Thomas Son M 18 1893 Pit Boy Truck Lad Lancashire Manchester VIEW
COOPER, William Son M 15 1896 Pit Boy Truck Lad Lancashire Manchester VIEW
COOPER, Mary Emma Daughter F 12 1899 School Lancashire Manchester VIEW
COOPER, Vincent Son M 0 (6 MONTHS) 1911 Lancashire Manchester VIEW

beginning to see the pattern now (I did not have authority anywhere to look at the 1911 census for myself). That ties in with the marriage in 1890 on the other thread (image shown at
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12580-48141-20?cc=1788853&wc=10932342
Samuel age 19, Isabella age 20)

It was virtually the last one registered in the qtr! - June 30th

but still not sure where the 'Benjamin' bit comes from

1901 census - household transcription
Person: COOPER, Samuel B
Address: 9, Elizabeth Street, North Manchester



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COOPER, Samuel B Head Married M 30 1871 Navvy (Outside Works)
Dukinfield
Lancashire VIEW
COOPER, Isabella Wife Married F 30 1871
Manchester
Lancashire VIEW
COOPER, Mary A Daughter Single F 10 1891
Openshaw
Lancashire VIEW
COOPER, Thomas Son Single M 8 1893
Bradford
Lancashire VIEW
COOPER, William Son Single M 5 1896
Bradford
Lancashire VIEW
COOPER, Mary E Daughter Single F 2 1899
Clayton
Lancashire VIEW

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